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Re: A GOOD Political Ideology poll.
Isn't it a bit confusing? Ok, it's clear that social change is involved in this option. But to which way?Originally posted by Odin
Social Ideology:
Radical: Believe extreme social change is needed
Liberal: Believe moderate social change is needed
Moderate: Believe little social change is needed
Conservative: Want to maintain status quo
Reactionary: Want to return to past policies, such as segregation, etc."Never trust a man who puts your profit before his own profit." - Grand Nagus Zek, Star Trek Deep Space Nine, episode 11
"A communist is someone who has read Marx and Lenin. An anticommunist is someone who has understood Marx and Lenin." - Ronald Reagan (1911-2004)Comment
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Democracy
Social Democracy
Liberal
Democracy: I think your definition of Republicanism leads to too much power for the individual and too much focus on 'personality politics'. In my perfect society, the leaders of the country would be faceless, or even unknown, merely carrying out the policy desires of the population.
Economic: The Economic category could do with some clarification. I was swithering between choosing Social Democracy and Regulated Capitalism, but the 'US Style' put me off. I wouldn't want a system like the US where the main tendancy is for most of the wealth to go to the already rich, although I think the 'capitalist urge' is a good motivator to work hard. You really need to say whath the regulatory systems in 'Social Democracy' are before we can make a fair choice.
Social: I voted liberal, but I think this depends on where you are standing, and which society you want to change (or not). I would want to change US society more than I would change European society for example. It is also a little unclear whether one is allowed to consider economic social change, since this is presumably covered by the 'Economic' section.Comment
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Leo:
Why do you need the Euros to comment on it? We have it right here in Canada.Could a European comment on the whole "Vote for Parties" thing?
Sure, we don't have Proportional Representation, but our parliamentary system is essentially party-based, not individual based.
Examples:
Party-Based: Prime Minister is the head of the party with the most votes (or seats won, in a PR-less country like Canada)
Individual-Based: President is voted for in a seperate election.
PartyBased: House of Commons is pretty much the be-all, end-all of... everything.
IndyBased: House of Commons, Senate, and Cabinet all wield certain amounts of power.
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In my opinion, there are at least three different types of Representative Democracy (actually, I'm sure there are many more, but I'm not educated enough to break 'em down properly):
1. Euro-style PR Party-Based: You vote for the party which best reflects your views as a whole.
2. Canadian RepByPop Party-Based: You can do it like the Euros, OR you can simply vote for the MP that you think will serve your particular riding best.
3. Vote for the Congressman that will serve your riding best, and the President who will match your views as a whole.
(I'm sure someone can put it more eloquently and/or interestingly than that, but oh well, what's typed is typed...)
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Personally, I kinda like the way the Euros do it, becaue it prevents some of the candidates from simply dangling pleasing area-specific projects in front of their ridings, which may cause the people to stray from their ideologies."I wrote a song about dental floss but did anyone's teeth get cleaner?" -Frank Zappa
"A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue, but moderation in principle is always a vice."- Thomas Paine
"I'll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours." -Bob DylanComment
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Mine:
Democratic (love the ideology-based! down with cult of personality!)
Social Democracy (capitalism yes, corporatism no)
Liberal
Sounds about right."I wrote a song about dental floss but did anyone's teeth get cleaner?" -Frank Zappa
"A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue, but moderation in principle is always a vice."- Thomas Paine
"I'll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours." -Bob DylanComment
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Democracy
Social Democracy (I would want regulated capitalism, but more regulated than the US, like environmental checks and the like)
Moderate (tempted to go Liberal, probably between the two)
Is Democracy supposed to me more democratic than a Republic? I thought the only difference was in a Republic you elect the head of state, and a Democracy was anything where the leaders are elected? I chose Democracy because I don't want an elected head of state, as I think it puts too much power in the hands of one person.Smile
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"Hm. I suppose I should get my waffle a santa hat." - KuciwalkerComment
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Democracy
Social Democracy
Liberal
Guess no big surprise there...Comment
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Not all of Europe uses PR. The UK still elects MPs, and then the party with the most (in coalition if necessary) creates the Government.Originally posted by cinch
1. Euro-style PR Party-Based: You vote for the party which best reflects your views as a whole.
While I would like proportional representation, as then we might get one or two MPs from minor parties (Green, Socialist, etc) and more Lib Dem MPs, I am a but wary of having coalition governments the whole time, and I am a I like the idea of a person representing that area. I presume under PR that is inpossible, having someone represented from one area. How does it work in practice? Do you elect so many MPs from each party depending on how many votes they get, and the Party chooses which ones?Smile
For though he was master of the world, he was not quite sure what to do next
But he would think of something
"Hm. I suppose I should get my waffle a santa hat." - KuciwalkerComment
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well this still doesnt work for me.
Economics - to follow on urban ranger - there are at least two issues here - the extent of economic regulation/govt control over industry and income/wealth distribution.
Myself i tend to be "regulated capitalist" on control issues - I see some areas where US status quo is too statist, and some where it fails to address market failure. But I tend to be much farther to the left on issues of income distribution. Though i sometimes call myself a social democrat, i suppose "left wing third way" would be closer.
On social simply talking about change is not clear - id like to see a number of changes, but some are neither in a "libertararian" diiection nor are returns to the past. IE while i suspect most here will identify "social change" with either diversity or libertarian change, i dont see any room for communitarian change - unless you identify it with the past, which i do not.
Political - there are lots of different clever ideas about constitutional structures within democracies, but for the most part arguments about them are practical more than ideological id say. A better contrast for democratic vs republican would be the broader extent to which you favor or oppose governmental structures that limit or support popular soveriegnty - thus prop representation vs first past the post, electoral college vs direct election, party primaries vs party structure selection of candidates, etc."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Drogue:
Don't the Germans have a system that's half-PR, half RepByPop? That is, you elect people for your riding, but the parties can also gain seats on top of that, according to their percentage of the national popular vote. A hybrid system like that seems quite attractive.While I would like proportional representation, as then we might get one or two MPs from minor parties (Green, Socialist, etc) and more Lib Dem MPs, I am a but wary of having coalition governments the whole time, and I am a I like the idea of a person representing that area. I presume under PR that is inpossible, having someone represented from one area. How does it work in practice? Do you elect so many MPs from each party depending on how many votes they get, and the Party chooses which ones?"I wrote a song about dental floss but did anyone's teeth get cleaner?" -Frank Zappa
"A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue, but moderation in principle is always a vice."- Thomas Paine
"I'll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours." -Bob DylanComment
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Another:
Anarchy
Communism
Radical"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-BokononComment
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No ****, sherlock?well this still doesnt work for me.
As always, the poll is over-simplistic.Comment
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That is true. It was also used in Wales and Scotland for their assemblies IIRC. Does seem quite a good idea.Smile
For though he was master of the world, he was not quite sure what to do next
But he would think of something
"Hm. I suppose I should get my waffle a santa hat." - KuciwalkerComment
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same here. the only sensible choiceDemocracy
Social-Democracy
Liberal
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