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  • Graduating from college next week, what to do now?

    Three basic options now, all of which involve fleeing the country as quickly as possible. I passed the first stage of the Foreign Service Exam back in September and the second stage is in Boston this Friday. I then get results back eventually and get stuck on a queu depending on how well I do. This means that as embassy jobs become available the people on the top of the queu get first dibs on the jobs and then jobs trickle down the queu, which means it could take months and months to know whether I get a job and where.
    Have had major second thoughts about recently. I want to have a bit more control over my life than getting shuttled around every three years to god knows where. And I have enough leftist pride that the thought of selling out to Bush is galling. I'm the sort of person who's supposed to protest against the government, not work for it goddamit!

    Then there's my Korean ESL teaching job offer. The pay and benefits are about as good as I can get as a ESL newbie in Korea, the hours are beautiful (1-8 PM weekdays) and I should be able to save/pay off student loans to the tune of at least $1000/month (low prices and cheap living on my part). Have wanted to live in Asia for a while and the job seems good and the New Yorker expat who would be my co-worker seems like a good guy who would be able to keep me from doing anything especially stupid (have done as much research to avoid getting screwed over as possible, many thanks to Seeker...). Am also talking to a whooooooole lot of Korean recruiters and should have stacks of job offers shortly (new term beginning soon).

    And we've also got Taiwan. The pay's not quite as nice Korea but the school I've got an interview scheduled for tomorrow morning is American-run (unlike the Korean one) which I hope is a good, think I'll get a job offer since SARS is scaring away the competition. And being able to learn Mandarin would be great for looooooooooooong term career goal of being a history prof (love chinese history) and you can't do much better than Chinese food (except in SE Asia where its harder for people w/o experience like me to get a food in the door). And I'd get a motor scooter! Few things are as cool as motor scooters!

    Pics from near where I'd be in Korea (Chung Ju, about 700K population in a fairly mountainous bit with temperate weather smack in the middle of South Korea with two national parks and some places for skiing nearby:





    Pics from neary where I'd be in Taiwan (Chiayi, about 250K population on the fairly tropical southern coastal plain, apparently pretty smogy but with Jade Mountain fairly close to the north):

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    Take foreign service exam and stay a home until I find out where they want to send me.
    0.00%
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    Take foreign service exam then go to Korea and jump ship the the State Dept. offers me a job.
    10.00%
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    Take foreign service exam then go to Taiwan and jump ship the the State Dept. offers me a job.
    15.00%
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    Not sell my soul to Bush and go to Korea
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    Not sell my soul to Bush and go to Taiwan
    25.00%
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    Become a bum
    20.00%
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    Work in a banana plantation
    30.00%
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    Stop Quoting Ben

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    My friend in Thailand did not have too much good to say about teaching English in Korea. If it is a toss up I would choose Taiwan. Of course I prefer Thailand but there is little money to be made there teaching English.

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    • #3
      Hmmm, foreign service, eh? Sounds interesting. I wonder what the details are for that sort of thing up in These Frozen Wastelands...

      What was the Amer'cun test like?

      EDIT: Wow! 35 000 dollars a year to learn French! Mais oui!
      Last edited by cinch; May 18, 2003, 21:08.
      "I wrote a song about dental floss but did anyone's teeth get cleaner?" -Frank Zappa
      "A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue, but moderation in principle is always a vice."- Thomas Paine
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      • #4
        Taiwan seems good.
        For a first experience at teaching English abroad, it is much better to start in an American-run school, since you'll have less trouble to keep up with the regelementations and with your colleagues.

        Besides, it'll allow you to have more control on your life indeed, and you won't be selling your soul. If you enter the foreign dept, you'll probably be sad of your carreer, and it might be bad for long term.
        "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
        "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
        "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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        • #5
          Do you know Korean or Chinese?

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          • #6
            Close call between Taiwan and being a bum.
            Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse

            Do It Ourselves

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            • #7
              run coke and listen to disco
              "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
              'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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              • #8
                Cut the soles out of your shoes, climb a tree and learn to play the flute. That, or find a bunch of guys to hang out with and dress like them.
                He's got the Midas touch.
                But he touched it too much!
                Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!

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                • #9
                  whats ur major again?
                  :-p

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                  • #10
                    this flute you speak of...can you kill with it?
                    "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
                    'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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                    • #11
                      The dark side beckons.
                      "I'm moving to the Left" - Lancer

                      "I imagine the neighbors on your right are estatic." - Slowwhand

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                      • #12
                        Of course I prefer Thailand but there is little money to be made there teaching English.
                        Right and I've got $20,000ish of student loans hanging over my head. Maybe when I pay that off and get some experience (and maybe a MA) I'll try to get a good job in Thailand.

                        What was the Amer'cun test like?
                        -one grammar section (multiple choice)
                        -one general knowledge (everything from history to politics to the constitution to really basic computer stuff to some very Dilbertish business jargon) (multiple choice)
                        -one demographics sections (for example "are you a wonderful perfect person?" very much agree!) (multiple choice and short answers)
                        -one essay section, I wrote on what to do trade-policy wise with countries with human rights etc. violations.

                        For a first experience at teaching English abroad, it is much better to start in an American-run school, since you'll have less trouble to keep up with the regelementations and with your colleagues.
                        Yeah, that definately is a point in favor of Taiwan. There's be more Americans to work with there rather than the one New Yorker in Korea (although from our phone conversation he shoulds like someone I could work with no problem).
                        On the other hand I think I'd prefer the Korean climate, I like a little snow every now and then and tropical heat drove me a little nuts when I lived in Bolivia.

                        Do you know Korean or Chinese?
                        Nope just decent Spanish and crappy Arabic. I don't want to live in Latin America (couldn't pay off student loans there anyway) and the Gulf States ESL jobs require masters degrees and experience.

                        whats ur major again?
                        History. My uni doesn't have any education classes
                        Only classes of any relevance to this are Classical Chinese Philosophy and two semesters of Chinese History (although one was a **** class where I didn't learn anything).

                        Hmmmmm, Korea's not doing too well...
                        Stop Quoting Ben

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                        • #13
                          Boshko ask seeker about teaching in korea.

                          EDIT: Nevermind u already did.
                          :-p

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                          • #14
                            Sell your soul to Bush and go to Taiwan.
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • #15
                              You can also teach English in the PRC, just like what mindseye do.
                              (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                              (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                              (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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