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Affirmative action: Reverse racism or concessions for past atrocities?
The main reason, I think, is the Compaq deal. Apparently she strongarmed it through, but a lot of HP's shareholders were against the idea. It was really wierd. I'm sure a lot of people disliked her after that.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
Yeah. How do you think Little Bush got into Harvard - AA for rich white people.
I tend to think driving is far more essential than AA, don't you? Which would you rather have?
That's not a choice we have to make; you completely missed Che's point. If a Stafford Loan receiving college student plagiarizes on a paper should the whole Stafford Laon program be eliminated? Of course not.
Only a pure blood racist would try to use Jason Blair as evidence for what we should do with public policy. You are a sad person.
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Let's see: legacies, fraternities and sororities, etc. Yep, AA for white men.
DD already answered this for you...
So if it helps you, we can ignore the fact that people scam the system, but if it helps someone else, it's an outrageous abuse? Driving may be necessary, but so is getting a job and going to school. Banning driving would hurt everyone. Banning AA would only hurt a small group of people, so that's acceptable.
Must you persist with this terrible analogy? Banning AA would hurt barely anyone, and in fact would put a stop to certain people being promoted to positions they can't handle, and accepted to schoold they can't keep up in. Banning AA would only hurt those who weren't qualified anyway.
...people like to cry a lot...- Pekka ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority.- Snotty
Originally posted by Carver
Only a pure blood racist would try to use Jason Blair as evidence for what we should do with public policy. You are a sad person.
I pity you.
...people like to cry a lot...- Pekka ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority.- Snotty
Originally posted by DinoDoc
2) Frats serve both blacks and whites.
The white Frats are more likely to be connected to business, so they have an advantage. When you consider the number of white Frats and Sororities that exclude blacks (especially in the South) it becomes a noteworthy factor.
3) If you and I are thinking of the samething, legacies are race neutral.
If you ignore the fact that the parents of many blacks were barred from attending many institutions of higher learning. That is simply racism through race neutral language.
Originally posted by Caligastia
Must you persist with this terrible analogy? Banning AA would hurt barely anyone, and in fact would put a stop to certain people being promoted to positions they can't handle, and accepted to schoold they can't keep up in. Banning AA would only hurt those who weren't qualified anyway.
That's where we disagree. I say banning AA would hurt qualified people that schools and companies are required now to take. I see far too much racism, and not stuff which can be debated, but openly avowed racism to think that qualified white women, and minorities of both genders wouldn't be hurt. Hell, just look at the continuing discrimination against gay people.
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If you ignore the fact that the parents of many blacks were barred from attending many institutions of higher learning. That is simply racism through race neutral language.
Always seeing racism where it doesn't exist again, Carver?
The reason legacies are more easily admitted is in order to get more endowment from past alumni. If you graduated from a school, wouldn't you give more if your kid was now going there? Come on, let's look at this rationally!
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
Originally posted by Carver
If you ignore the fact that the parents of many blacks were barred from attending many institutions of higher learning. That is simply racism through race neutral language.
This arguement might have had more merrit if we haven't had around 40 years of integrated classes going through various institutions of higher learning, even at Ole Miss.
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The reason legacies are more easily admitted is in order to get more endowment from past alumni. If you graduated from a school, wouldn't you give more if your kid was now going there? Come on, let's look at this rationally!
The affect is racially skewed, in favor of whites, indicating the need to level the playing field. e.g. AA
Well, depending on the school, it's highly likely that even though minority students have been able to attend classes, they have not done so in numbers proportionate to their percentages in the general population. If only seven percent of the people attending college are Black (the percentage of incoming freshmen at DePaul University in 1993--in a city that was 44% Black), the legacy system isn't gonna help all that much. Plus, you can only be considered for a legacy if your parents graduated. A disproportionate number of minority students (excepting Asians) don't finish school. So the legacy system helps to perpetuate previous discrimination.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
The affect is racially skewed, in favor of whites, indicating the need to level the playing field. e.g. AA
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 is not all that old. The legacies will level off, when more and more minorities go to institutions of higher learning. The playing field will level. I don't favor using AA just because legacies have been more white than minority. After all, most people in the country are white as well. If, say, black legacies make up 12% of total legacies, then there would be no need to level the field, because that is their percentage of the total population (IIRC).
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
Originally posted by DinoDoc
This arguement might have had more merrit if we haven't had around 40 years of integrated classes going through various institutions of higher learning, even at Ole Miss.
There were only a handful of African-Americans in mainstream institutions of higher learning 40 years ago. Some were admitted but most could not attend due to past depravation of educational opportunity and lack of financial resources. The affect of "legacies" is tremendously skewed in favor of whites.
Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
The playing field will level.
Why should we wait? This is the only life we've got. I demand fairness now.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
Some were admitted but most could not attend due to past depravation of educational opportunity and lack of financial resources.
So why not admit based on economic status rather than race?
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
Some were admitted but most could not attend due to past depravation of educational opportunity and lack of financial resources.
So why not admit based on economic status rather than race?
Because racism is a seperate effect.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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