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  • Why Linux sucks

    (disclaimer: if you don't happen to be aware of it, I run exclusively Gentoo Linux on my computer and would run FreeBSD if I didn't consider it to be more suitable as a server than a desktop OS. My current computer has never ran any other OS than Gentoo (and Knoppix, for a while))

    I'll be gone in 15 minutes so I'll be brief... more brief than I wanted to be...

    They say Linux is free. They say Linux is easy to install. They also say it's easy to administrate, especially on distributed environments, that it has several user-friendly graphical user interfaces, that it can be upgraded online easily, that it's stable, that it's clean and elegant, that it has no DLL hell or such things that annoy Windows users (at least those who use older releases of the OS) and that it's well supported. If I forgot to mention anything here, please post about it.

    I'll ignore the confusion between "Linux the kernel" and the inexistent "Linux the operating system" for the purposes of this post. I've always done so anyway. Now, all the things that I mentioned are promised by Linux evangelists, and all of them are delivered by Linux...

    ... but by no distribution of it.

    There's not a single Linux distribution that has all the advantages that people are led to believe the operating system generally has. Few even come close. The most popular commercial distributions are plagued by bloat ("Why the hell do you need three CDs for installing an operating system?"), dependency hell (RPM.sucks.) which is basically a manifestation of the same design bug as DLL hell is and prices higher than that of Windows XP. Debian is hard to install, outdated in the stable branch and easily broken in the unstable branch (and it's still called more reliable than the commercial distros!). Slackware, Gentoo and other "expert" distros require extensive knowledge to operate, not to mention install.

    Yes, if you want easy upgradeability, go with Debian. But you don't get what you were promised. If you want an easy install, use Mandrake. But you do not get what you were promised. If you want something that's well supported by bigh companies, use Red Hat. But you do not get what you were promised!

    I'm still waiting for that One Perfect Distro... the distro that is free by default but offers commercial support for those who really want it. The distro that is easy to install, easy to administrate and keep up-to-date, and easy to use. The distro that is installed from one CD by default and can easily be extended by either more CDs or online package installs. The distro that is stable, secure and locked-down by default but always provides a quick access to enabling different services by an administrator when it's needed. The distro that lets geeks play around with it and doesn't break down, while giving newbies the choice to point'n'drool as much as they like. The distro that can be adapted for both desktop and server use. It doesn't matter if it follows some radically new design philosophy or if it has a new, FHS-incompatible filesystem or if it's a metadistribution instead of a distribution... all it would need to do is to deliver everything that Linux promises!

    I'm not sure if it's possible to create that One Perfect Distro, and judging by people's attempts this far it seems rather unlikely - in fact, some of my demands (like being adaptable for both desktop and server use) were rather unrealistic... however, should someone one day design and implement all of it, Linux would finally stop sucking!
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    Note: I won't be around to read your replies until Monday... so... happy flaming!
    This is Shireroth, and Giant Squid will brutally murder me if I ever remove this link from my signature | In the end it won't be love that saves us, it will be mathematics | So many people have this concept of God the Avenger. I see God as the ultimate sense of humor -- SlowwHand

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    • #3
      I have given up to use Linux on the desktop, because X and all it's offspring (like KDE and Gnome) blow big chunks. I've been a masochist for several years and am finally sick of it. WinXP pro suits my needs as desktop system, although it's not perfect. The only restraint is, I won't let it directly in the internet, or to manage any network. We have a Windows network at work, and it's a huge pain in the ass. I don't need the same mess at home.

      I run a Debian woody as server/gateway/router. I could switch it to xxxxBSD, but heck, it works a charm and I'm lazy to change a running system.

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      • #4
        Re: Why Linux sucks

        Originally posted by Ari Rahikkala
        The distro that lets geeks play around with it and doesn't break down
        You want to mess around with the inside of an OS, yet you want it to somehow magically remain stable? You can't even ask that of a car, which is a lot more simpler than an OS.

        Methinks you are asking for too much.
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        • #5
          Wow, a "Linux sucks" thread from Ari sure is surprising

          Indeed, rpm sucks. I'm a windows user who has a small Linux (Redhat 8) partition, and I never use it because I cannot read/write the contents of my big NTFS partition. A linuxian friend of mine has tried to change this, but we needed so many rpm for this that the downloads took the entire evening and weren't even finished by then

          So, I continue using WinXP exclusively, which is a very decent desktop system. I'd really be curious to see if Linux can become a viable desktop system, because I much prefer the open source philosophy.
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          • #6
            Spiffor, you have to add NTFS support in the kernel (also available as module, imho). R/O works fairly good, R/W is said to be dangerous, although I never had any problem myself.

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            • #7
              I love you!
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              • #8
                I like Linux but I can't play any of my games on it and for me, that's the killer. Iknow there are windows emulators out there but I hear they're slow and don't always work correctly. So until game developers start designing my favorite games for Linux, I'll be running windows.

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                • #9
                  it's something like linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net

                  in any case, linux, i think, is still not ready for prime-time... nor will, in the forseeable future. or is any *bsd distro.
                  indeed, the only *nix-derived os that's ready for mass consumption is osx (not vanilla darwin).

                  i use linux because it's fun. that, and it's got a free ssh server built in which i can connect to anywhere on campus and thus utilize my files.

                  i do use windowsxp for my default os, though.
                  Last edited by Q Classic; May 16, 2003, 17:54.
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                  • #10
                    Ill grant that window$ has alot of good advantages over linux. Keep in mind Linux is only free if you know where to get it. Also keep in mind, Linux Distro support generally consists of a few students or programmers working out of there Dorm. I mean, it isnt the most profesional OS out there (Example: see some of the code in some of the Linux Distro Kernal's). But I rather like Linux.

                    "I'm a windows user who has a small Linux (Redhat 8) partition"

                    As for working with NTFS. I dont know whats wrong with VFAT/FAT32. Or fairy easy to get patch your FS for NTfS http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ . Or you can even get 32 bits OS/2 file system driver that allows read-write access to Windows 95 VFAT file systems. Everything is out there if you just look.


                    I also agree with the points about XP. Its a really good OS. Although I think the default looks to childish and the CP is a mess I changed that quickly

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                    • #11
                      Note for your Redhat http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/redhat.html

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                      • #12
                        god. i tried so damn hard to convert to linux, and i game up 3 times. i tried doing a dual boot twice, but i kept going into windows, because i just didn't NEED to go into linux. i tried to do things in linux, but Photoshop > GIMP, etc etc. forget gaming. then i tried making a whole box ONLY linux, for server purposes, and i ran into problems again, so i said fsck it, and went with windows again.

                        it's just easier.
                        "I've lived too long with pain. I won't know who I am without it. We have to leave this place, I am almost happy here."
                        - Ender, from Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card

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                        • #13
                          You cant dual boot with Linux and Windows. You need Partition Magic/Boot magic.

                          As for Windows, its something you use. Linux is something you learn to use

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                          • #14
                            I don't know about you guys, but I haven't paid for any of the current versions of Windows I have (all legal) and I have at least three legal copies of windows, and one functional computer.
                            "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
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                            • #15
                              linux is something you learn to use. if you find that you enjoy it, then it's worth it. if you find that you're not having fun with it at all, don't bother--it's an exercise with frustration.

                              i tried linux once when redhat7 came out. didn't like it. then when redhat8 came out. didn't like it.
                              then i tried it when redhat9 came out, and it seems to have caught. i'm enjoying using it a lot...
                              so~
                              depends on your preference, really.
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