Your Sept 11

[Worthingtons]

An Interesting day for me spent in front of the telly. I cottoned onto it just before the 2nd plane hit. My dad decided to phone ITV digital (a now bust broadcasting company) to complain, he'd managed to find this phone number where everytime you phoned to complain he'd get a football in the post almost automaticall , so he was keen on complaining!. Anyway, the lady at the other end was trying to explain how they were manically busy with the news, my dad puzzedly asked why and she told him to swich on the telly (which my dad signalled to me to do!) - about 3 hours later my gf (atm, have switched since) txt me to tell me as if it was a news flash - she was at school/college and didnt find out till hours later.

Very Strange day, i remember thinking 'I wonder if this will end up a significant day, you know, like July 4th or November 11th - the days you tell your kids about'. I had a feeling it probably would be but didnt realise the extent to which it would effect our lives and how significant it would be
Cheers
Matt

[Lord Merciless]

Sir Ralph, you are too pessimistic and defeatistic.

[Harovan]

Am I? Go ahead and show me the light.

[Menlas]

Originally posted by Lancer
I want those countries that obstructed the US to pay as well, France particularly. France worked actively to undermine US policy in a time when we needed our allies. France stabbed us in the back, and the French supported their government. Any American worth a damn will remember...

France will pay too.

You really should try to relax man... are you so much obsessed by France ?

Oh, and by the way... do you know which country played the US national hymn in his presidential palace (something that had never happened before, if I'm not wrong) ? In which country the main newspaper's headline was "We are all americans" ? Which country helped the US during the Afghanistan war ? Etc...

Gimme a F... gimme a R...

[FrustratedPoet]

I was on holiday in Tunisia with my g/f at the time. It was the middle of the afternoon local time when the planes hit the towers. We had just come in from a day at the pool side and noticed some people clustering around a TV in the hotel lobby, but didn't really give it much thought. When we came down an hour later to go out the people were still there so we took a closer look at the TV. We never did go out that night.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

My day was surreal: we're 7 hours ahead of nyc here, so I was just getting off of work. I'd gone down to the local supermarket, which also sells electronics, and found nearly the whole store staring at a huge bank of televisions showing the towers in flames. The tvs were tuned to a Turkish tv station, of course, and I couldn't understand a word of what as being said; I could only stare at the images and think, "uh-oh."

I shopped quickly annd raced home, where I found my daughter kneeling in fron of our new tv, purchased only theh week before (we'd been without tv for over a year prior to getting this one). We'd had satellite installed only the day before, annd she didn't know how to find the English-language channels -- so she had turned up a Turkish feed of a US network and had her ear to the speaker, trying to hear the Ennglish original broadcast under the Turkish dubbing. I came in and quickly found the BBC (we didn't get CNN, and I refused to watch Fox), and my daughter and I spent the rest of the evening watching coverage with an ever-increasing number of tv-less friends at our side, while my wife and her sister (who works in NYC, but uptown) e-mailed each other non-stop.

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Am I? Go ahead and show me the light.

Saddam lost.

Al-Qaeda is losing.

The fact that Saddam and OBL are hiding and running like street rats is pretty demoralizing to those misguided Arabs who thought these people might have a legimate chance at challenging the West.

The War in Afghanistan and Iraq perfectly illustrated that Nationalism and Fundamentalism will only bring more humiliations to the Islamic world. The mass of the people will not join losing causes. Muslim intellectuals have already begun their self-reflections. Let's hope they will find their way soon.

Our military has done a marvelous job in teaching those freaks a lesson in power. Now we have one major task at hand though:
We must show that only by following the democracy, secularism, and free market economy will the Islamic nations prosper and regain their lost respect.

[Frankychan]

religious zealotry, no matter what religion, is totally amoral. To preach hate in the name of religion is disgusting and only benefits those who preach their siren song. Fundamentalism must be squashed before it can balloon out of proportion like it has today.

My event-

I was up at 4:45 a.m. typing a report that was due in my 900 o'clock class. I turned on the t.v. to watch the news like I occasionally did and saw one of the WTC towers. I started typing some more and glanced back at the t.v. wondering if there was a special on the WTC. When I turned around I saw a plane hit and was like "Holy s***, did I just see what I think I saw?" Next thing I know I was glued to the t.v. I started typing less and turned around again and they showed a wide angle of the 2 towers. Then, they showed the second plane hit live and I was like "OMFG, what the heck is happenin'?" I finished my paper reluctantly and drove to class listening to the radio. Ppl showed up to class and the grad student in charge brought a radio so we could listen.

After class I headed toward our campus center where there is a huge t.v. The place was crowded with students. Some were crying, other's were pissed. One guys said "This is total bulls***!"

That day was when I decided to change my career path.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Lord Merciless
Saddam lost.

He had to do what with 9/11?

Al-Qaeda is losing.

Yea, it was an accident in Riad.

They're alive and well.

The fact that Saddam and OBL are hiding and running like street rats is pretty demoralizing to those misguided Arabs who thought these people might have a legimate chance at challenging the West.

The War in Afghanistan and Iraq perfectly illustrated that Nationalism and Fundamentalism will only bring more humiliations to the Islamic world. The mass of the people will not join losing causes. Muslim intellectuals have already begun their self-reflections. Let's hope they will find their way soon.

Our military has done a marvelous job in teaching those freaks a lesson in power. Now we have one major task at hand though:
We must show that only by following the democracy, secularism, and free market economy will the Islamic nations prosper and regain their lost respect.

That's your opinion. Other people might disagree. But that's not a topic for this thread.

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph

He had to do what with 9/11?

He didn't have anything directly to do with 911. But we have to remove him if we want to get to the Saudis. Besides, there is a laundry list of side benefits if he's removed.

Yea, it was an accident in Riad.

They're alive and well.

They are alive, but not well. Again, they are like street rats, hunted and killed everywhere except in 2 places: Saudi Arabia and Pakistani tribal region. I'm absolutely not surprised that they pulled some car bombings in a place where they are being indulged.



I have the impression that most Europeans have gotten too soft in recent decades. Do you believe that Al-Qaeda would stop even we give in to all their demands? If you get bullied in your school, do bullies stop if you don't fight back?

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Lord Merciless
I have the impression that most Europeans have gotten too soft in recent decades. Do you believe that Al-Qaeda would stop even we give in to all their demands? If you get bullied in your school, do bullies stop if you don't fight back?

Ummm, what school? My son is a student, and I don't even remember how a school looks like . Besides, wars and crimes like terrorism have not much to do with school fights. These don't have thousands of human lives on stake.

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph


Ummm, what school? My son is a student, and I don't even remember how a school looks like . Besides, wars and crimes like terrorism have not much to do with school fights. These don't have thousands of human lives on stake.

Oh yeah, very much. Do you think Islamic freaks are better human beings than average school bullies? If school bullies enjoy abusing the weak, why wouldn't those Islamic freaks? Won't showing any kind of weakness further encourage their aggressive behaviors?

Think about it.

[Harovan]

Well, if you feel convenient to bully "those Islamic freaks", like you call the Arab people, in order not to be bullied by a bunch of criminals, go with it, but leave others alone with it.

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Well, if you feel convenient to bully "those Islamic freaks", like you call the Arab people, in order not to be bullied by a bunch of criminals, go with it, but leave others alone with it.

Why are you putting words in my mouth? I never ever equated Islamic freaks with Arabs. 'Islamic freaks' is strictly meant as Al-Qaeda and the like-minded.

The point is that we have to show Muslims that fundamentalism and nationalism lead to nowhere, and only democratic secular capitalism is the way to go. I hope you understand the logic behind it.

[Harovan]

Well, sorry, it wasn't meant as an attack, I'm at work and can't put much attention into reading, so I may have misunderstood something.

I understand your point, but doubt that this way has a chance of success. You don't pursue the terrorists, instead you attack souvereign countries, with or without a valid casus belli. Iraq is done, and what I hear is plannings about a war against the Saudis, Syria and Iran. Do you think this way you can fight terrorism? Every bomb you drop at civil victims will make 10 new terrorists.

A positive example is the way Israel dealt with the terrorists from Munich 1972. It took more than 20 years, but the Mossad found and killed them all, without lots of innocents suffering and creating new terrorists.

EDIT: Oh, and again: This discussion doesn't belong in this thread.