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  • Nhl Reform Thread

    1. Get rid of the two-line pass
    2. Restrict goalie pad sizes
    3. Get rid of the instigator penalty
    4. Stop calling goaltender interference outside of the crease (if he goes out IMO, he's fair game)
    5. Contract the league to 24 or 28 teams
    6. Remove the restrictions on stick curves
    7. More divisional games
    I posted this short list in the NHL Playoffs thread, but I felt these issues deserved a thread of their own so I could explain myself.

    1. Get rid of the two line pass -- Most would consider this to be an invitation to cherry-pick... but I disagree. This would open up the ice much more because it would make playing the trap much more difficult. I thought a game was supposed to showcase the players' skills, not the systems'. There would be more odd-man rushes, more breakaways, and a definite increase in goals. All of this = more excitement. And defenses can always adjust to try and defend against this.

    2. Restrict goalie pad sizes -- There are restrictions now, but they aren't good enough, IMO. Compared to the 60's, 70's, 80's, and even early 90's, pads have grown in size.

    3. Get rid of the instigator penalty -- This isn't a proposal that would affect the offense. This would be better for the game. Before the instigator penalty, there were less injuries do to carelessness and dirty play. You were held accountable for your actions. The players policed themselves. But now, there is too much dirty play. In the old days, if you were playing dirty, your opponent's enforcer would be allowed to stick up for his team. Now guys get game misconducts if their jerseys come off. The game has become pussified.

    4. Stop calling goalie interference outside the crease -- Again... this goes back to how the game used to be played. Goalies get to wear a suit of armor and have the freedom to skate out to grab the puck. IMO, if a goalie goes outside of his crease to play the puck, he should be treated like any other player and be subject to getting hit.

    5. Contract the league to 24 or 28 teams -- This really is about the talent pool in the league. So many terrible players are in this league because the talent pool has been diluted. There's nothing I dislike more than to see a system winning a Stanley Cup rather than a skilled team. Well, maybe I hate seeing a team that can't sell out their home playoff games going to the Cup Finals: Carolina. That market doesn't care about hockey. They care about Nascar, College Basketball and being on the Jerry Springer show.

    6. Remove the restrictions on stick curves -- This would give goal scorers more of an advantage. And perhaps striking a little fear into the hearts of goalies. This rule was created when goalies used to have cheap little pieces of plastic for masks. It's unnecessary now.

    7. More divisional games -- I miss the old Chicago/St.Louis, Chicago/Toronto, Chicago/Detroit rivalries. And what about the Edmonton/Calgary/Los Angeles rivalries of the late 80's/early 90's. Now, teams don't develop that inherent hatred of each other that used to make hockey fun to watch. As a Chicago fan, I don't care about Chicago playing Carolina... or some other pud team that we wouldn't face except for the Stanley Cup Finals (and with the Blackhawks, that won't happen anyways). Make the games matter. More divisional games will do this.

    Feel free to add your own reform ideas or comment on my own. Discuss.
    To us, it is the BEAST.

  • #2
    Get rid of all the rules and let see a blood bath!!!!
    Monkey!!!

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    • #3
      They need to stop playing hockey.

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      • #4
        Sorry... we like real sports that require skill, endurance, physical prowess, and are fast.
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #5
          Re: Nhl Reform Thread

          Originally posted by Sava
          5. Contract the league to 24 or 28 teams -- This really is about the talent pool in the league. So many terrible players are in this league because the talent pool has been diluted. There's nothing I dislike more than to see a system winning a Stanley Cup rather than a skilled team. Well, maybe I hate seeing a team that can't sell out their home playoff games going to the Cup Finals: Carolina. That market doesn't care about hockey. They care about Nascar, College Basketball and being on the Jerry Springer show.
          What you say about the talent shortage was true in the 80s when the NHL relied mainly on Canadian players for its talent pool, but not any more.

          With more Europeans playing there's more than enough talent to go around.

          Besides, talent is just one part of winning team. Look at the Rangers. They're loaded with talent, but they couldn't make the playoffs and they shouldn't be in the playoffs.

          The teams that have made it to the final four have superstars. They also have a system, but that's an important part about winning.

          Teams that do make it to the finals, like Carolina last year, often do so because of team chemistry, luck and other stuff can't be manufactured.

          Originally posted by Sava
          6. Remove the restrictions on stick curves -- This would give goal scorers more of an advantage. And perhaps striking a little fear into the hearts of goalies. This rule was created when goalies used to have cheap little pieces of plastic for masks. It's unnecessary now.
          Yeah, but back then they didn't have the composite sticks which add a hell of a lot of power to players' shots.
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          • #6
            I find ur idea that "the system" should never win and merely some conglomeration of skill players should carry the day as some kind of moral value in sports personally offensive.

            in other words. OMG U SUCK.=D

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            • #7
              I find ur idea that "the system" should never win and merely some conglomeration of skill players should carry the day as some kind of moral value in sports personally offensive.




              Exactly!! I'd rather have the system win than a bunch of overpaid brats on a team with mucho money who can spend to win a Stanley Cup. The 'system' teams keep the big spenders on their toes.
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              • #8
                Re: Nhl Reform Thread

                Originally posted by Sava
                2. Restrict goalie pad sizes -- There are restrictions now, but they aren't good enough, IMO. Compared to the 60's, 70's, 80's, and even early 90's, pads have grown in size.
                This rule's already on the books, rule 21:

                (b)The leg guards worn by goalkeepers shall not exceed twelve inches (12") in extreme width when on the leg of the player. No attachments such as plastic puck foils are permitted. Calf protectors must follow the contuor of the calf and ankle and can have a thickness of no greater than one-and-a-half inches (1 1/2").

                I agree that they need to introduce restrictions on the pad height, though, to prevent any more Garth Snow stunts.

                It's the chest protectors that need to be reined in next; JS Giguere looks about 3 feet wide with that thing he's wearing (I don't mean to imply he hasn't been fantastic this post-season, but look at the ratio of his chest width to his leg width when he's standing up straight. It's ridiculous.) Many other goalies are doing this as well.

                4. Stop calling goalie interference outside the crease
                No, no, no, 1000x no. Goaltender equipment is not designed to protect the goalie from the impact of a 220-lb forechecker barreling into him from the side, it's designed to protect him from a puck travelling at high velocities toward his front. Goalies also have reduced maneuverability and peripheral vision as a result of their equipment. NHL clubs can only carry two goalies for a game, and one of those goalies is often being paid $5 million or more these days, making them an especially valuable commodity, not easily replaced.

                This change will not happen, ever. I'd expect it to be rejected in less than 10 seconds if ever raised at a GM's meeting.

                5. Contract the league to 24 or 28 teams
                I wish. But they won't even contract bankrupt teams that nobody wants to buy until several months later (the Sabres; I really thought they were done for).

                7. More divisional games
                I'd go for this. Get back to the 8-times-per-year days, get some real hatred brewing again between clubs.

                One change that I once outright rejected but have warmed up to, is simply increasing the size of the net, by about 6 inches in width and 4 inches in height. The goaltenders are just so damn good these days that teams can get away with playing rope-a-dope styles and win 1-0 or 2-1 games all the time, and it's no coincidence that 3 of the 4 conference finalists could barely muster 2.5 goals per game of offense in the regular season (Minnesota couldn't even crack 200 goals). Going into last night, Anaheim was averaging a paltry 2.25 goals per game in the postseason, and now they're one win away from the Cup final. Give the shooters a bit more room to beat the great goaltending, and it may start to break the hold of the all-defense-all-the-time styles that are so dominant right now, and strike a better balance between the teams that go for offense and those that emphasize defense.
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                • #9
                  Re: Re: Nhl Reform Thread

                  Originally posted by optimus2861
                  Give the shooters a bit more room to beat the great goaltending, and it may start to break the hold of the all-defense-all-the-time styles that are so dominant right now, and strike a better balance between the teams that go for offense and those that emphasize defense.
                  Great goaltending has always been the key to winning the Stanley Cup, except for the 80s when the league expanded so fast there weren't enough good goaltenders.

                  I love games where the goaltender is flying around and making incredible saves.

                  The problem is the lack of movement up around centre ice. When things get clogged there, you end up with a boring game.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Japher
                    Get rid of all the rules and let see a blood bath!!!!
                    That goes for two of us.
                    Only feebs vote.

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                    • #11
                      Dammit Sava... I know we tend to be on the same side of issues, but I still hate agreeing with you. And I refuse to believe that your girlfriend actually looks like that.

                      Anyway, your ideas:

                      1. Yes.
                      2. Yes. Vigorously enforced.
                      3. No way, no how, nuh-uh. Fighting should be automatic suspension. Everyone always says that you'll see more attempts to injure with high-sticks and whatnot--hooey. Look at college and international hockey.
                      4. No. See Optimus.
                      5. Maybe. If so, then "yes" on 7.
                      6. Yes, yes, yes, sweet lord yes.
                      7. Maybe. If so, then "yes" on 5.

                      I also agree that the net should be a smidgen bigger.

                      However, everyone has missed two of the biggest improvements that could be made--not to the game itself, but the business of it. And I say these realizing that they would hurt no team more than my own Red Wings.

                      1. Salary cap.
                      2. Revenue sharing.
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                      • #12
                        1-7.

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                        • #13
                          The best possible reform for the NHL would be to split it up into two independent leagues. It's time to apply antimonopoly laws to the bastards. In this way, we could at last have all the best players at the World Championship, and we could finally find out which national team is REALLY the strongest in the world.
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                          • #14
                            I was under the impression they'd scrapped the two-line pass a couple of years back; obviously that was just in Europe. I'd definitely back that rule change, it makes for a much more open game.
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                            • #15
                              Let's see:

                              1. Sure... sounds like a fine idea.
                              2. Already are decent enough, IMO.
                              3. Nope, I'm with Guy, make it a greater penalty to fight.
                              4. NO NO NO!
                              5. Sure, but probably impossible. Expansion in sports leagues is a one way rachet, usually.
                              6. Sure.
                              7. I liked the old divisional playoff games myself.
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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