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[Japher]

erm, ozone is not smog. Ozone is not a cause for greenhouse, too.

Well, your half right

[Az]

Sava, you link has nothing to do with Ozone being a green house effect. It is fully correct though.

ground level Ozone is created with the "help" of NOx (nitro) compunds and Sulfur Dioxide ( secondary pollutants, with NO created as a side effect of combustion of N2 and O2 naturally present in the atmosphere, that burn in the heat of car engines, and, SO2, Sulfur Dioxide created from Sulfur present in Coal and heavy fuels.

This is called "bad ozone", since ozone is a poisonous gaz.

The "good ozone" is the ozone that is located up there. Ozone levels there are high in relation to the levels in the most poluted of cities, and people would die there. This ozone is important, since it shields us from ultraviolet rays.

[Az]

Japher: I am not aware of Ozone being a serious cause of greenhouse. If you have any links, please share.

[Japher]

Ozone is a component of photochemical smog, which is a problem in many cities. In the lower atmosphere (the troposphere), ozone is a powerful greenhouse gas.

[Az]

Thank You!

[RGBVideo]

In the troposphere, ozone is a powerful greenhouse gas.

So, I was wrong... my apologies. Thank you, for both of your time and your link.

[Japher]

O3 is a good thing if stays where it is suppose to stay. Yet, some of our emissions create this ozone at lower levels letting those O3 depleting compounds shimy on up.

Perhaps this can be a good thing if we can get those compounds that destroy the ozone to begin destroying the bad ozone.

[Az]

No it's not. CFCs will eventually go up, and the bastards will stay there up to 50 years, triggering chain reactions of O3 distruction. and we NEED it there. ground level O3 is a minute and a local problem ( I now remember that we covered it in Greenhouse gases. ), it is higly unstable, and will dissolve on it's own.

in case you didn't know, ozone is actually constantly created and destroyed in the upper layers of the atmosphere. It's a dynamic balance.

[Japher]

ok, the forget it.

[Sava]

Azazel... you said I was wrong, but then repeated what I said...

[Az]

You were right. What I said is that your quote doesn't describe it being a greenhouse gas, and is not a proof of you being right. Japher's link is. I didn't know you were right at the time.

[Defiant]

What you guys have to remember in the aggregate is the earth has been here for 4.5 billion years, we have recorded weather for a little over a hundred, I highly doubt that we or any scientist is really qualified to say what will happen to mother earth if we burn hydrocarbons. The ozone layer like the yearly temperatures flucuate and even for a thousand years there could be a steady decline in ozone protection and then reverse itself for a while. To me looking in the short term is futile, the aggregate is where you can draw real conclusions, and I just don't think we have analyzed enough time.
This polydemerization can recycle anything that is carbon based, all your landfills, except nuclear storage, become extinct, that is a big deal.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Azazel
You were right. What I said is that your quote doesn't describe it being a greenhouse gas, and is not a proof of you being right. Japher's link is. I didn't know you were right at the time.

ah... I wasn't sure exactly what you wanted to see... I got what I could with minimal effort. Remember, I'm a lazy piece of crap.

[Az]

actually, I don't think that ozone levels have fluctuated. They've just steadily risen. Once, there was no oxygen. As oxygen levels rose, slowly, the ozone layer formed from oxygen molecules in the high levels of the atmosphere, after interactions with UV light ( yes, ozone is created through UV, as well! only shorter length, more energetic UV rays, that can break up oxygen as well. )

[Az]

ah... I wasn't sure exactly what you wanted to see... I got what I could with minimal effort. Remember, I'm a lazy piece of crap.

Ok, then. I needed evidence of O3 being being able to create a significant greenhouse effect.