Allied Invasion of Europe Strategy, Anzio, Normandy...

[Lancer]

...Callais also, with the Canadians.

Would you have done the same? How would your strategy have differed? Remember, your beloved allies, the Russians, are fighting for their very existance...

[Pekka]

Do you know any good sites concerning these invasions? There are tons, but I was wondering if any of you guys knew gems.. I'd like to check out some of those maps and plans and then plan my own strategy .

[el freako]

Re: Allied Invasion of Europe Strategy, Anzio, Normandy...

Originally posted by Lancer
...Callais also, with the Canadians.

Would you have done the same? How would your strategy have differed? Remember, your beloved allies, the Russians, are fighting for their very existance...

By the time of D-Day it was the Germans fighting for their existance on the eastern front.

[Nubclear]

Re: Re: Allied Invasion of Europe Strategy, Anzio, Normandy...



We are talking about time travel, right?

[David Floyd]

...Callais also, with the Canadians.

Actually you mean Operation Jubilee, the raid on Dieppe.

Would you have done the same? How would your strategy have differed? Remember, your beloved allies, the Russians, are fighting for their very existance...

If there is hindsight, I would have told the Soviets to go sit on it and rotate, and made a separate peace with Germany, or not entered the war at all.

However, that aside, the biggest thing I would have done differently is driven across as much of Germany and Europe as possible to keep the Soviets from getting it.

[Dinner]

I liked Mounte's plan to invade the south of france and push up. It would have avoided Hitler's Atlantic wall and could have been launched from allied controlled areas of Italy. Plus we would have gone right through viche controlled territory which would have been so so easy.

[David Floyd]

I liked Mounte's plan to invade the south of france and push up. It would have avoided Hitler's Atlantic wall and could have been launched from allied controlled areas of Italy. Plus we would have gone right through viche controlled territory which would have been so so easy.

There would have also been a MUCH longer line of supply and reinforcement, much more subject to U-Boat harrassment, and there would have been a lot more distance to cover to get to Germany.

The Atlantic Wall didn't present that much of a challenge. Only on Omaha Beach did the defenses really hold the Allies up, and even then not for long.

[Dinner]

I admite there would have been a slightly longer supply route but the Brits held Gibraltar and the Americans seized the south side of the straights and sub nets were set up across the channel. Italy was no longer safe for German U-boats and the Brits held Suez so how are the Nazis going to move naval forces into the combat area?

In the end Eisenhower thought it was safer to launch from England and not alienate the French by destroying supposedly neutral Viche France. I say **** Viche and we could have riding them hard before the Nazis sent a force to reenforce them.

[David Floyd]

Right, but the point is Africa was not nearly as good of a base as England was - 15 miles across the Channel, vs. hundreds of miles across the Med (and supplies still had to travel thousands of miles from England and the US to get there). If you think Patton's/Monty's logistical problems and competition were bad as things actually occured, imagine how it would be at this point.

Seizing Vichy France might have been nice, but I think that Operation Cobra and the Falaise Pocket were much better outcomes than anything an early Anvil could have provided.

[Dinner]

You launch from Italy not Africa or better yet seize Corsica and launch from there.

[David Floyd]

Launch from Corsica? Again, that's not much of a base. And in terms of launching from Italy, well, we saw how well Anzio worked.

Look, in my opinion there simply weren't enough major bases in the Mediterranean from which to launch THE invasion of Europe. Sure, there was Malta, and Gibraltor, and then Egypt way on the other side, and I suppose it COULD be done, but at the same time, why not just go straight in from England? Again, the Atlantic Wall really wasn't a problem, and the eventual success of Cobra/Falaise Pocket seems to me to be greater than anything an early Anvil would accomplish.

Maybe I'm wrong, though.

[faded glory]

EZ..

Load a flottilla of about 8 trannies of dover drop them off at calaise. Have about 14 Division under one good general (Patton) and make sure 2 of the div are armored and the infantry divisions have arty attaches and its all yours. The 1.4 AI usually has an incompetant general occupying Antwerpin with some ragged troops from the east. The counterattack always fails.

[Ned]

I would have told that ***** Charles André Joseph Marie de Gaulle to liberate his own dam country.

[Dinner]

In HOI De Gual kind of sucks as a great leader. France's armoured units get their ass kicked no matter what you do with them.

I'm beginning to like the Swedes; they make games where the French automatically lose.

[faded glory]

I enjoy the soviets

Its VERY hard to make a line that holds from 1936-1941. Once I held off to 43 bye building all industry in siberia. Still had to make peace tho