Should Stalin apologists be treated in the same way as Nazi sympathisers

[Aro]

Pol Pot is better qualifyed as a mad man. A mass murderer.
But Communism and Nazism are very, very different.
Stalinists, in general (I know a few ) do not believe in what he did. He was a pain in the ass (I used to be Trotskyist in my youth)... But like Hitler???

[Sinapus]

Originally posted by Spiffor
I don't think so, because Stalin's sympathies are ot motivated the same way as nazi sympathies.

Most Stalin's sympathizers are people who were indoctrinated when Stalin was alive, or people who feel things were better under the rule of Stalin than later. I certainly don't agree with them, and I even don't understand such a sympathy can exist, but these motivations look quite harmless.

Nazi sympatists, on the other hand, advocate racial/religious/sexual/whatever hatred. They hate their fellow humans, which is a destructive behaviour, and that's why they went to nazism in the first place. OR, they can be clueless rebeles who just want to break the ultimate taboo.

Both sympathies are very different things.

So essentially, Stalin sympathizers aren't as bad as Nazi sympathizers because the Nazi wannabes are True Believers, while Stalin wannabes are Useful Idiots?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Alvaro
Stalin's sympathesiers are quite aware of his attrocities and think that his reasoning was still better than that of the current leadership.

That is perhaps debatable but not dangerous.

How on earth is that not dangerous?

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Aro
Stalinists, in general (I know a few ) do not believe in what he did. He was a pain in the ass

So, what is made of a stalinist if he does not believe in what he did ? Just a tag allowing to get a pay slip and access to the stores reserved to the nomenklatura ?

[Spiffor]

Sinapus :
You can say so. But don't forget there isn't anything to "believe" in stalinism, and that's a big difference

[Aro]

My Stalinists (those ones I know... ) simply deny the whole thing. It's a lie of the Imperialists, they say.

Btw, every time I see masses saluting hysterically any kind of leader I feel fear. When I see people covering and forgiving the crimes of their leader, I feel fear.

Fundamentalists, Nazis, Stalinists, Maoists... Oh, almost forget, Bushists...
I feel fear.

[Arrian]

Fundamentalists, Nazis, Stalinists, Maoists...

[Arrian's internal monologue]Wait for it. You know it's coming.[/Arrian's internal monologue]

Oh, almost forget, Bushists...

Ah, there it is!





-Arrian

[Jeltz]

Originally posted by Aro
My Stalinists (those ones I know... ) simply deny the whole thing. It's a lie of the Imperialists, they say.

Imperialists? Then why do people for example from Poland and the former Soviet countries complain about his crimes? Stalin and Hitler both did ethnic cleansing, but Stalin managed to hide his crimes with propaganda (he even rewrote history books). Difference between Gulags and Nazi concentration camps was that the Nazis were more efficient in killing, but the communists had more time. Sure Stalin did some great things like built Soviet union to its glory, but so did Hitler (autobahns, anyone?)

[Sava]

Bushist's don't really exist. They belong to a group known as Neo-Cons. They usually partake in French bashing while trying to make people forget about the chemical weapons contributions the US made to Iraq.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Illyrien


Nazism isnt more inhuman or evil then Socialism, they just have slightly different goals.

Slightly different goals?
You are seriously sick mister. You’re saying that ideology that says that some «inferior» nationalities/races should be completely exterminated is as bad as ideology that says that people of all nationalities have equal rights and equal opportunities? For first ideology it’s absolutely natural and OK to burn children of “inferior� nationalities alive, while it is never, not even a close OK for second ideology.

The root of both Socialism and Nazism is the belief in "The Strong Man" or "The Enlightened State" eg. the belief that all power should be given to someone wise who will use this power for the cause of good.

I think you mess the Socialism and nazism with dictatorship. It’s absolutely different things. First two are ideologies, the last one is form of government.

Nazies arent inherently evil people, they really believed that they did the right thing.

Blah...blah...blah...neo-nazi crap...blah...blah..blah. IOW, they weren't bad people they just believed that burning people alive is the right thing to do.

It doesn’t change the fact that their GOAL/THEIR IDEOLOGY WAS ABSOLUTELY INHUMAN. Never heard about Nuremberg process?

[Serb]

This thread is full of neo-nazi and revisionist’s bullsh!t. Unfortunately it's deep night here and I have to sleep.

Arrian, LOL

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by TheStinger
So agreeing with accusing your neighbours of imaginery crimes so that they are imprisoned /murdered is the right way to go

Stalinists don't believe the crimes were imaginary. In many cases, they're right.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Aro
Pol Pot is better qualifyed as a mad man. A mass murderer.
But Communism and Nazism are very, very different.
Stalinists, in general (I know a few ) do not believe in what he did. He was a pain in the ass (I used to be Trotskyist in my youth)... But like Hitler???

their philosophies are different but the end result is the same. Lots of innocient people end up dead. Both the extreme left and right are totalitarian and crush the rights of the people.

[DinoDoc]

We have Serb here but he really isn't an apologist for Stalin so much as a person who likes saying that Hitler was worse. That's debatable (purposefully engineering a famine in the Ukraine for no reason puts him pretty high up there) but it is a somewhat reasonable position to stake out.

What I really want to know is where Propaganda, the real Stalin apologist is?

[Dinner]

DD: Oh, Stalin had a reason for engineering a mass famine amoung the farmers. Namely, the farmers weren't supporting his regime so he starved them to death.