Should Stalin apologists be treated in the same way as Nazi sympathisers

[TheStinger]

I think they should.

[Az]

It depends
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[Serb]

Should Stalin apologists be traeted int he same way as Nazi sympathisers

Are you drunk?




Sorry.

[TheStinger]

no just incompetent

[Sikander]

What, given cushy jobs as incompetent agents for Allied Intelligence Services? I think not.

[Az]

Hehe.

[Spiffor]

I don't think so, because Stalin's sympathies are ot motivated the same way as nazi sympathies.

Most Stalin's sympathizers are people who were indoctrinated when Stalin was alive, or people who feel things were better under the rule of Stalin than later. I certainly don't agree with them, and I even don't understand such a sympathy can exist, but these motivations look quite harmless.

Nazi sympatists, on the other hand, advocate racial/religious/sexual/whatever hatred. They hate their fellow humans, which is a destructive behaviour, and that's why they went to nazism in the first place. OR, they can be clueless rebeles who just want to break the ultimate taboo.

Both sympathies are very different things.

[TheStinger]

So agreeing with accusing your neighbours of imaginery crimes so that they are imprisoned /murdered is the right way to go

[Az]

Yeah, well, this is sort of the way I was thinking spiffor. But as I said, it depends. Lots of Nazi simpathizers have these weird ideas too, I think.

[Spiffor]

ThStinger :

No. But I don't think Stalinists agree with Stalin's crimes, they mostly prefer to overlook them. OTOH, nazis are such because they wholeheartedly agree with the extermination of Jews and gypsies, and sometimes take part to the hatemongering of anything which is not nazily kosher.

A stalinist that gloats the massacres he perpetrated against minorities and Kulaks, that agrees with the Ukraine famine, and from time to time attacks some Chechen or other, such a stalinist deserves to be hated as a nazi.
OTOH, an old German who weeps for the 'good ol' times' of Hitler and prefers not to speak about the holocaust, such a hitlerian deserves to be treated differently than your ordinary skinhead.

[TheStinger]

Yes I think people wanting the good old days of either Stalin or Hitler whilst forgetting how you got them are different to those who seek a return to the actual regimes.

[BeBMan]

I´d say those who look at the past with nostalgic feelings think mainly in the same ways, Nazism or Stalinism. You even have people even thinking the same about the old communist (yes, I know this doesn´t fit) states in Eastern europe.

Those people I don´t consider dangerous, because they are not activist supporters IMO. Those who actively promote a system like Stalinism or Nazism are the problem...

[Saras]

Yes.

[Stefu]

OTOH, nazis are such because they wholeheartedly agree with the extermination of Jews and gypsies

They spend an awful lot of time trying to cover it up, though.

[Serb]

Stinger, you don't understand the difference between Hitler and Stalin.
For Hitler extermination of entire nationalities such as Jews, Slavs, Gypsies and other "inferior" people was THE GOAL. It was THE GOAL of his ideology.
Stalin never had such goal. The goal of Stalin's ideology was the creation of better, more justice society, the society were all peoples regardles of nationality and race will be eqal. To achieve this goal he used rough and harsh measures. It's true, but was it possible to avoid such measures and still survive. No one can tell now. You said that nazi is responsible for extermination of 6 millions of Jews. Do you know that when nazi invaded Soviet Union they killed more than 13 MILLIONS of Slavic CIVILIANS, overall casulties of Soviet Union in WW2 were about 27 millions of people. If there was no rapid industrialization under Stalin's rule, more probably nazi would won and completely exterminated Russia as country and Slavs as people.