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    Lordy I'm boredy...

    Give me a political philosophy. Take my social, economic, and political views and point me in the direction of who best fits them. I want to be labelled dammit, this being an individual is too much work.

    Short Term Beliefs

    There is as much logic to have trade barriers between countries as there is to have trade barriers between neighbouring towns. Trade should be free.

    In keeping with the above belief, why restrict movement from, say Turkey to England any more than you restrict movement from Wales to England? Free movement of trade and capital has to be accompianed by free movement of labour.

    Central banks should be independent from government and their decision making processes as transparent as the air.

    Governments should be elected by a fair and just voting system. Power should be decentralised to the nearest most logical level (which may on occassion mean moving power up from national governments to, say, the European or UN level).

    Companies should be run on ethical guidelines and pay their employees a livable wage. Corporate subsidies should be suspended and industries deregulated. Exceptions include healthcare and education, which should be free to use, and public ownership of a broadcaster that's objective and not beholden to corporate or government interests (have I mentioned I love C4 and the BBC? )

    Pollution should be taxed. Heavily. Renewable sources of energy should be given priority. Organic farming good, sensible GM farming good. The two should be combined for maximum effectiveness.

    Science good. R&D shouldn't be based on profit motive or military applications but the sheer discovery. I want to see the culture of science, free sharing of information and peer review, codified into law. Copyrights should be short term protections and we're going to honestly have a discussion if current copyright concepts concerning media are meaningful any longer.

    There should be an independent commission that decides on the pay of politicians. I'm tired of seeing MP's vote for their own pay increases.

    Long Term Beliefs

    Workers should own and operate their businesses in co-operatives. Government should become more responsive to the wishes of its electorate via the ability for recall and average wages. Government should withdraw, letting the worker owned coops and other voluntary/local organisations run things.

    Colonise Mars. And the Moon. And the asteroid belt.

    GM engineering of human germ lines acceptable for disease elimination.

    Nanotechnology good. The Grey Goo luddites can stuff it.

    Nanotechnology may be necessary for my utopian dream of humanity: society run by voluntary, cooperative organisations with people encouraged to explore their individuality with the only law being the Golden One. Maybe even a phasing out of the money economy in exchange for a reputation economy once nanotech makes concepts like poverty, want, and need irrevelant.
    Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
    -Richard Dawkins

  • #2
    You are a Meat Popsicle. Welcome aboard.
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    • #3
      "I am a meat popsicle" I love that line.

      As for a classification, Starchild, you're a dreamer.

      ...society run by voluntary, cooperative organisations with people encouraged to explore their individuality with the only law being the Golden One
      -Arrian
      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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      • #4
        Easy - You are a ho cake.

        I didn't even need to read that long-winded opening post to see that, duuuuh.
        Tutto nel mondo è burla

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        • #5
          lmao Meat popsicile

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          • #6
            A. Meat Popsicle
            B. Ho Cake
            C. Dancing Queen
            D. All of the Above

            Answer: "D" - All of the Above.
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            • #7
              A. Meat Popsicle
              B. Ho Cake
              C. Dancing Queen
              D. All of the Above
              Great! We've come up with options - now post a poll so we could be 100% sure!

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              • #8
                Re: Classify me!

                Originally posted by Starchild
                Short Term Beliefs

                There is as much logic to have trade barriers between countries as there is to have trade barriers between neighbouring towns. Trade should be free.

                In keeping with the above belief, why restrict movement from, say Turkey to England any more than you restrict movement from Wales to England? Free movement of trade and capital has to be accompianed by free movement of labour.

                Central banks should be independent from government and their decision making processes as transparent as the air.

                Governments should be elected by a fair and just voting system. Power should be decentralised to the nearest most logical level (which may on occassion mean moving power up from national governments to, say, the European or UN level).

                Companies should be run on ethical guidelines and pay their employees a livable wage. Corporate subsidies should be suspended and industries deregulated. Exceptions include healthcare and education, which should be free to use, and public ownership of a broadcaster that's objective and not beholden to corporate or government interests (have I mentioned I love C4 and the BBC? )

                Pollution should be taxed. Heavily. Renewable sources of energy should be given priority. Organic farming good, sensible GM farming good. The two should be combined for maximum effectiveness.

                Science good. R&D shouldn't be based on profit motive or military applications but the sheer discovery. I want to see the culture of science, free sharing of information and peer review, codified into law. Copyrights should be short term protections and we're going to honestly have a discussion if current copyright concepts concerning media are meaningful any longer.

                There should be an independent commission that decides on the pay of politicians. I'm tired of seeing MP's vote for their own pay increases.
                I agree with almost every word of that, with the exception that I have a slightly stronger belief in copyright law (to help innovation) and have little problem with MPs wages, as they aren't actually that high IMHO. Other than that, pretty much exactly the same.

                Originally posted by Starchild
                Long Term Beliefs

                Workers should own and operate their businesses in co-operatives. Government should become more responsive to the wishes of its electorate via the ability for recall and average wages. Government should withdraw, letting the worker owned coops and other voluntary/local organisations run things.

                Colonise Mars. And the Moon. And the asteroid belt.

                GM engineering of human germ lines acceptable for disease elimination.

                Nanotechnology good. The Grey Goo luddites can stuff it.

                Nanotechnology may be necessary for my utopian dream of humanity: society run by voluntary, cooperative organisations with people encouraged to explore their individuality with the only law being the Golden One. Maybe even a phasing out of the money economy in exchange for a reputation economy once nanotech makes concepts like poverty, want, and need irrevelant.
                I agree with the strong science basis, that santitiy of life is not as important as curing disease, in some cases. I would probably go a little further on that. The last bit is dreaming, and would be great (have you read elijah's Mill Limit idea on the OTF?) but as an ideal, I quite like. I am less hot on worker control of things, and more on market forces, but I agree that government, especially our Labour one, should take more of a backseat.

                Personally, I would consider myself partly Utilitarian (belief in doing things for the maximum happiness) with part of Mill's belief that Liberty creates the most happiness, so part (small part) Libertarian. And I vote Lib Dem.

                Which political parties do you agree with? WHat are your views on legalisation of drugs, on the Euro and Europe, and on pacifism and war, among other things. Who do you vote for?
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                For though he was master of the world, he was not quite sure what to do next
                But he would think of something

                "Hm. I suppose I should get my waffle a santa hat." - Kuciwalker

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                • #9
                  I want to be stereotyped
                  I want to be classified
                  I want to be a clone
                  I want a suburban home!
                  Suburban Home!
                  Suburban Home!
                  Suburban Home!
                  - "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
                  - I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
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                  • #10
                    I vote LibDem but if the Greens ran a local candidate, I'd be tempted to vote for them. I support decriminalisation of pot, currently reading studies about E.

                    I think the UK should continue devolution with more local powers being handed to the Scottish Parliament, Northern Irish Assembly, the Welsh Assembly (oneday, maybe, the Welsh Parliament), and local English regions. I consider the passing of Parliamentary power sideways to the Law Lords an excellent move cause it establishes a legal check on Westminster's power.

                    In economic terms, I think the current structure of the ECB and the Growth and STability Pact need reforming but that the UK should join the euro (this is one of those "pass power up where needed".) I like the European "Idea" and favour a Confederation of European states rather than a federal superstate.

                    I think the military is, currently, a necessary evil. I supported the Afghan War, don't support the Iraq Invasion. I think war should be the last resort and I'm kinda tired with UK foreign policy being so heavily influenced by America.
                    Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
                    -Richard Dawkins

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                    • #11
                      Your a Red diapper doper babby...
                      Monkey!!!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Starchild
                        I vote LibDem but if the Greens ran a local candidate, I'd be tempted to vote for them. I support decriminalisation of pot, currently reading studies about E.
                        Wow, exactly what I did (we had one local Green candidate, so voted that and Lib Dem) I think that gives you your political classification, if you want to. You're part Libertarian (legalising drugs, and devolution) and part greenie (decentralisation and pollution controls)

                        Originally posted by Starchild
                        I think the UK should continue devolution with more local powers being handed to the Scottish Parliament, Northern Irish Assembly, the Welsh Assembly (oneday, maybe, the Welsh Parliament), and local English regions. I consider the passing of Parliamentary power sideways to the Law Lords an excellent move cause it establishes a legal check on Westminster's power.
                        Again, I agree completely. Although Lord Irvine isn't the best, nor most scrupulous person to be a check on Westminsters power. However the idea is great

                        Originally posted by Starchild
                        In economic terms, I think the current structure of the ECB and the Growth and STability Pact need reforming but that the UK should join the euro (this is one of those "pass power up where needed".) I like the European "Idea" and favour a Confederation of European states rather than a federal superstate.
                        I agree with that too. Although the biggest European failing is the attrocious Common Agricultural Policy. We spend over half the EU budget (total budget about 100 Billion Euros, with about 10-15 Billion from the UK) on subsidising farmers ineffeciency, who they dump it on the thirst world. If we remove that, we spend less subsidising (mostly French) farmers, and help the 3rd world, mostly primary economies no end.

                        Originally posted by Starchild
                        I think the military is, currently, a necessary evil. I supported the Afghan War, don't support the Iraq Invasion. I think war should be the last resort and I'm kinda tired with UK foreign policy being so heavily influenced by America.
                        Again, I agree completely.

                        I think you are definatly part libertarian, part greenie and part centrist (Very much a green Lib Dem person) You don't really fir any one catagory exactly, but then very few actually do. Being a Lib Dem, you're probably seen as a Liberal in many senses, but I doub't that is completely true for everything. As for philosophy, that all depends on who you've read and agree with, and what you think for the future. That isn't my area, while I know I'm mostly a untilitarian, I wouldn't know enough to say what anyone else is. Hope this helps.
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                        For though he was master of the world, he was not quite sure what to do next
                        But he would think of something

                        "Hm. I suppose I should get my waffle a santa hat." - Kuciwalker

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                        • #13
                          OMG. Drogue and I are the same person.
                          Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
                          -Richard Dawkins

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                          • #14
                            It rather scared me, but it's good. At least I know I'm not the only one who is like that politically As for future values, I think we differ a bit there, but not by that much.
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                            For though he was master of the world, he was not quite sure what to do next
                            But he would think of something

                            "Hm. I suppose I should get my waffle a santa hat." - Kuciwalker

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                            • #15
                              Well, the only party with both "Libertarian" and "Green" in its name is, of course...



                              Er, seriously, you might want to check out the Green ideology a bit more. Although they're generally more anti-progress than you, they've got similar ideas about social sustainability and longevity.
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