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    Electric Utility Deregulation

    I was reading the magazine that comes with my electric bill today and their was an article that caught my eye.

    Apparently just the idea of US Congress passing sweeping deregulation in the Electric Industry caused several states to actually pass deregulation bills. Most notably is California. The article blamed all the problems that California experienced on this action. It even suggested that this may have contributed to the Enron collapse. The article states that similar legislation is being considered again in Congress.

    So... What do you know about this? and How do you feel about it?
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  • #2
    Oh oh... wait for MtG to rip this apart .

    I think the problem was that it was called deregulation in California, but it really wasn't. Partial deregulation won't get you anywhere.
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    • #3
      and having 2 companies run the show doesnt either.
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      • #4
        Deregulating public utilities would be like deregulating the military.

        Bad idea.
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        • #5
          Deregulating public utilities is a good idea. Sitting here in the UK I can choose between dozens of providers based on who offers me the cheapest kilowatt per hour rate or on how they generate the electricity (renewable methods, etc).
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          • #6
            Deregulating public utilities is a crap idea. I am trying to get a new electricity supply installed in a building at work. Before deregulation it was all Yorkshire Electricity. Now I have to deal with YEDL to run a new cable from the street to the building. They did but the new meter cabinet wasn't ready so they capped off the cable and left it. Then Npower came to fit the meter and would not because the mains cable wasn't connected to a cut-off box in the meter cabinet and our electrician hadn't done the internal wiring properly.

            YEDL say that their computer shows the job has been completed so they can't come back. Everybody says it is someone else's responsibility. No-one will give a clear list of what needs to be done in what order. In the middle of all this someone else actually turned up to read the meter that hadn't been installed!

            I just want to pay the money and have the work done but that concept is too difficult for these morons.

            Thatcher and the idiots who privatised electricity in the UK should be hanged for their stupidity. Oh, and don't even mention the endless stream of reps calling at the door and the mountains of junk mail trying to persuade me to switch supplier. That must cost a fortune to do and the electricity user ends up paying for it in the end.

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            • #7
              It's working out fine now in Alberta.

              We even have more choices on where we get our energy from. Companies are trying to gain marketshare, so they offer plans like where all your electrical energy comes from solar & wind power rather than coal...
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              • #8
                So then what is next? Deregulated water? The basic needs of the people should be regulated to prevent corporations from having power over the people.
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                • #9
                  Regulated industries just means that the government has power over people - and a monopoly of power too. Since "government" and "trust" don't really belong in the same sentence, I'm sure you can figure out why deregulation is a good idea.
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                  • #10
                    No... Regulated industries means that the government has power over the industries. And (I'm going to disagree with you again) the people have power over the government.

                    Besides, just look what happened when the eletric utility was deregulated...
                    I'm sure you can figure out why regulation is a good idea.
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                    • #11
                      In America it caused problems perhaps, but in other countries (such as Australia or Canada) it has done nothing but reduce prices for the public while increasing choice.
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                      • #12
                        yeah... I was going to add that but I can't edit posts from work....
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Asher
                          It's working out fine now in Alberta.

                          We even have more choices on where we get our energy from. Companies are trying to gain marketshare, so they offer plans like where all your electrical energy comes from solar & wind power rather than coal...
                          What's the cost per kilowatt hour there now, and how stable is the price? There were a lot of problems here in Ontario last summer with prices suddenly skyrocketing when everyone's air conditioners kicked in. They had to import hydro from the US at ridiculous prices. The government stepped in and set a cap of 4.3 cents/kilowatt hour, but it's now costing us a fortune to maintain that rate.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Skanky Burns
                            ... but in other countries (such as Australia or Canada) it has done nothing but reduce prices for the public while increasing choice.
                            That's not the case in Ontario, Canada. Prices went through the roof shortly after deregulation was put in place. The government had to step in and set a rate cap because the people were livid when their hydro bills suddenly started skyrocketing. It turned out to be an absolute fiasco and will probably cost the Tories the next election.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by donegeal
                              So then what is next? Deregulated water? The basic needs of the people should be regulated to prevent corporations from having power over the people.
                              My water's deregulated.
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