Blair: Bush is 'highly intelligent'

[Clear Skies]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
So was Lassie, but you wouldn't make her president would you?

Percy (a collie/Alsatian cross) ran against Katherine Harris for Congress. Guess you could say it was a case of dog beat dog.

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by Ned
Yale has median 730 math and 720 verbal.

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That was after they rescaled the SAT tests to make them easier

[Ned]

But as Yalies would say, they both clearly qualify for Harvard.

[muppet]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Of course Tony Blair would say that W is intelligent. What else could he have said, W is an idiot? What would that make Blair?

A smart idiot?

[Japher]

First; who cares what he got on his SATs? Standardized test don't tell you anything... Anyway, I know a guy who aced that stupid test and is now in prison... oh, yeah, before that he worked a Egghead... real genius.

Second; Bush may not have gotten in to school on merit, and private schools generally pass you as long as your bill is paid, but that is how much of society is. I really don't think that a complete dunderhead would of gotten elected to the level of public office that he did based souly on who his dad is.

Third; How smart can one be to one want to work in public service... as a politician for that matter. Heck, just the fact that he is a politician lowers his IQ IMO.

Fourth; He's from Texas... I don't what that really means.

Fifth; He has a really high approval rating so he must be doing something right. I don't whatever that is that he is doing right is a Forrest Gump accident.

Sixth; Ppl always insult the president for something, no matter who the president is.

Seventh; He's smarter than G. Davis, that *****.

I like the guy, I don't know anything about his intelligence, yet his success at being president says a lot to me... Yet, he's no Jimmy Carter

[GePap]

Yeah, but even before they re-scaled them, 1200 was not Yale material by itself. Legacy surely had a huge impact in Bush's admission, specially since he came form an upper-crust Conneticutt family.

[Boris Godunov]

There was a recent story in a local paper about a kid on Long Island who graduated top of his class from highschool with a perfect 1600 on the SATs, a near-perfect grade point average, and extra-curricular activities out the wazoo (sports teams, president of the student body, school newspaper, etc.).

He was rejected by: Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Columbia and Stanford. He's now going to Duke, but the explanation given in the article shows how the Ivy League schools work. Despite is academic excellence, he was competing against tons of people who have the same kinds of records. But he had no family members who had gone to these schools, nor was he a minority, nor was he from an impoverished background.

Bush and Gore got into their respective schools because of the family legacy, this is pretty indisputable. Bush's SAT scores and high school grades were abysmal compared to his peers at Yale. But his Daddy was head of the CIA and was a famous, wealthy graduate of the school. In the end, it's about legacy.

[GePap]

There is a sort of affermative action for locations going on as well. The Northeast produces immense amounts of students with glowing academics, and if only academics counted, most bigs schools in the East would be made up almost completely of people from the Northeast (lots of gifted students from elsewhere try to stick close to home). A student from Cali. with a 1450 SAT and a good set of "others", top of his/her class would be far more likely to get into Yale, Harvard, Princeton, so forth, than a person with 1600 and everything that kid you mentioned had, if s/he happened to be competing with half a dozen kids in the same school with the same credentials.

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by Ned
Yale has median 730 math and 720 verbal.
Yeah, it does look like neither Gore nor Bush are Yale material.

Test standards have changed since then. Add about 80 to 150 points to pre 1980s SAT scores to get today"s equivilant, also real results, even absent rescaling, are, I believe, up today, as well many top schools being more selective. I recall being activiely recruited (on cold calls where I had not contacted them) and offered scholarships from top schools around the country just on account of my SAT scores (a bit higher than Gore's) which I had blanket released to any school interested.

[Menlas]

Originally posted by Fez


Like your country? The thing about Chirac is he is far more arrogant than Bush.. and far more stupid.

Coming from you Fez, I guess it's a pretty nice compliment for Chirac. I don't even know if he deserves such an honor

[TCO]

Anybody know a good site for converting old/new scores? And what if you were at the top on the old test?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by GP
Anybody know a good site for converting old/new scores? And what if you were at the top on the old test?

A 1600 is a 1600, old or new.

I took my last SAT the year before they changed the test and got a 1370, I think. My dad told me that under the new scores it would be something like a 1480, I think.

[TCO]

Found one: http://www.greenes.com/html/convert.htm

The differentiation of top scores has dissapeared. (about a 90 point bonus added in new scoring method.)

[SlowwHand]

Boris can be mistaken?
Let me write this date down.

[gunkulator]

This whole "GWBush is a dummy" thing reminds me of the buzz and "common knowledge" that was kicking around 15 years ago that Bush Sr. was a "wimp". Dozens of pundits bemoaned the so-called "wimp factor" that supposedly plagued the elder Bush. Of course we now know the fate of that ex-Navy pilot shot down in the Pacific - hardly the story of a wimp.

Personally, none of us know GWB well enough to judge his intelligence. He isn't the best public speaker, and he has that deer-in-the-headlights look when he talks on TV. I disagree with many of his policies but that hardly makes him an imbecile.