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I doubt it.
One of my relatives (like my great-great uncle or something) on my dad's side knew him before he went to power.
One of my relatives (like my great-great uncle or something) on my dad's side knew him before he went to power.
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For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence) -
The US government buys petroleum at market prices just like any other customer, and holds it in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve as a hedge against wartime needs. This is not in any way a subsidy, so there goes half of what Greenpeace claims.the full cost to maintain the Strategic Petroleum Reserve at $5.4 billion;
A recent study by Resources For The Future found that the US should raise its gas tax by about 58 cents per gallon to cover the costs of pollution and congestion. Most of what other countries pay above this level has nothing to do with the effects of pollution and congestion, but is simply a way to raise revenue. While the US needs to about double its gas tax, the rest of the world needs to about half theirs.Old posters never die.
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This is great, going to be awesome profit-sharing this year!
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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Why? By reducing the amount of needless consume, we ensure that the devices which are important and won't work in any way without fossil fuels can be used in the future.the rest of the world needs to about half theirs.Comment
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If this thread wasn't Fezzed, I'd actually participate with links and stuff.
But I wonder: how does $5.5 billion in oil exploration subsidies (giving Sava the benefit of a doubt here in how he defines "subsidies"), less than 1/2 of 1% of the industry's total revenues, directly subsidize the entire gasoline consumption of the US?
Your numbers don't add up, Sava.
Good point, Adam.
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While the US needs to about double its gas tax
I would add "and spend the tax money on reducing congestion and pollution".I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Sava reminds me a lot of that communist Jimmy Carter. Carter would rant and rave about oil company "excess profits." He blamed high oil and gasoline prices on the US oil companies. He blamed the long lines at gas stations and shortages on the oil companies.
This man was an abomination. He was swept from office by Ronald Reagan who spoke the truth. The problem was not the oil companies. The problem was Jimmy Carter. Since we swept Jimmy Carter and price controls from the United States, oil prices dropped dramatically, gasoline shortages ended and prosperity returned to United States.
Down with Jimmy Carter!
Down with Sava!http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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Okay Sava. Let's do a little math.
$11,900,000,000 in subsidies in 1995 right?
US population at approx 280,000,000, agreed?
For arguments sake, lets halve that for number of autos, okay?
11,900,000,000/140,000,000 = $85
$85 dollars a year off my fuel bill!!! Well, I guess that does depress my gas price some."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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Sava and Fez have more in common then either would like to admit, me thinks.
Rant, counterrant.
Good points by Adam Smith.
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Well Sava is very handsome from what I remember of the pictures he posted.. but he is not like me.Originally posted by Arrian
Sava and Fez have more in common then either would like to admit, me thinks.
For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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The major difference in prices is higher gas taxes in the European countriesOriginally posted by Sava
Actually Fez, the US government has a very anti-capitalistic practice. Gasoline would be about what Europe pays but the US government gives billions in subsidies to the oil companies. Who's the communist?
I don't hate profits, I hate companies fleecing the people. Especially in times of need.Comment
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I never really bought/followed the congestion part of the argument. Surely congestion is a self-limiting mechanism.Originally posted by Adam Smith
The US government buys petroleum at market prices just like any other customer, and holds it in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve as a hedge against wartime needs. This is not in any way a subsidy, so there goes half of what Greenpeace claims.
A recent study by Resources For The Future found that the US should raise its gas tax by about 58 cents per gallon to cover the costs of pollution and congestion. Most of what other countries pay above this level has nothing to do with the effects of pollution and congestion, but is simply a way to raise revenue. While the US needs to about double its gas tax, the rest of the world needs to about half theirs.Comment
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Why do leftists always try to say making a profit is a bad, evil, underhanded thing? Hello! If companies didn't make profits then we'd crash and burn the way the Soviet Union did and the way China's state owned industries currently are.
BTW If you are an oil company then 80%+ of your profits comes from pumping crude oil and selling it to refineries not from a low margin business like retail sales.
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Profit are extremely evil to the leftist cause, oerdin. Very evil. It may raise living standards, but that is also evil to the leftist cause. Anything that helps the people is evil to the leftist cause.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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I must not be a leftist because I never said profit was bad.Originally posted by Oerdin
Why do leftists always try to say making a profit is a bad, evil, underhanded thing? Hello! If companies didn't make profits then we'd crash and burn the way the Soviet Union did and the way China's state owned industries currently are.
BTW If you are an oil company which then 80%+ of your profits comes from pumping crude oil and selling it to refineries not from a low margin business like retail sales.
It's really a shame that people ignore fact because they don't agree with my beliefs or methods. But hey, that's the way the ball bounces.To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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