What degree is welfare fraud?

[Kidlicious]

A good friend of mine works with welfare recipients, providing them with information to help themselves. They don't want that information. They want to know how to get more benefits for free. Welfare abuse is so rampent its sad. There are very few people who do not abuse the system.

Having said that, the welfare system is a necessary part of capitalism. Capitalism has survived this long because of it. And sadly, nothing can be done to stop the abuse.

If you really look at it, capitalism is a welfare system. Some people work and some people don't. Your compensation is only sometimes determined by your work. Welfare abuse is just an additional method of exploitation.

[BustaMike]

Old Dirty Bastard cashing a welfare check on MTV. That is abuse of the system.

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by David Floyd


It's mere existence in the primary problem. Eliminate social welfare, and you obviously eliminate social welfare abuse along with it.

OK, so tomorrow an 18 wheeler runs over your vehicle, with you in it. You are essentially demolished, but live. You rapidly exhaust your insurance, savings and all your personal assets. You wind up broke, confined to a wheelchair and have so little use of your upper extremities that you haven't a prayer of making a living. Let's also suppose that you have no family left.

At this point you might say: "Let me live off of private charity." Ah! But thanks to your libertarianism all the other elderly and medically disabled have exhausted charitable funds. "Oh, but freed of the excess taxes contributions to charity will swell, making up for welfare." Sorry, but that was tried in the 1960s, and the results were underwhelming. I'm old enough to remember the state of things in this country before Medicare, and before SSI was extended to the disabled under 65. It wasn't pretty then, and it wouldn't be now.

The you might say "I'd rather die than live off of someone else." I've heard that before. It remains to be seen whether you will ever put your money where your mouth is.

[Felch]

It was also hilarious.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Zylka
Maybe we should eliminate cancer treatment as well. The cancer might not dissapear, but those little sh*ts scamming fantanyl lolipops will sure know what's up!

I forgive you your past insults - that was really good.

[yavoon]

welfare is necessary, both social welfare and minimum wage welfare.

so all we can do is try to limit the abuse as best we can.

[Agathon]

Have you all considered that reforming the system to make it more intrusive and less prone to abuse might make it cost more than the original abused system.

The problem with homelessness has little to do with the amount of welfare and more to do with:

(a) Housing prices: here in Toronto there are homeless people who have full time jobs, but yet cannot afford housing.

(b) Mental illness and addiction. These people literally cannot take care of themselves, they are beyond any empirically verifiable notion of responsibility, yet the law (inhumanely) treats them as responsible adults.

And had to laugh at Lloyd's antics.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by yavoon
welfare is necessary, both social welfare and minimum wage welfare.

so all we can do is try to limit the abuse as best we can.

If you want to eliminate abuse then attack the number one crime in terms of dollars lost that afflicts all our societies.

Of course I am talking about tax fraud and evasion.

But no, we all moan and beat up on the most vulnerable members of society - again.

[yavoon]

I am very for large prison sentences for white collar crimes. which include the rampant abuse of ceo's and their golden parachutes.

but we aren't talking about that in this thread are we?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by yavoon
I am very for large prison sentences for white collar crimes. which include the rampant abuse of ceo's and their golden parachutes.

but we aren't talking about that in this thread are we?

Just something to think about for those who'd like to deprive the homeless of everything.

[yavoon]

)(*#@ u know now ur just bordering on lumping me for no reason. I dont see anywhere in my posts where I support abolishing welfare.

[Agathon]

I wasn't talking about you. They know who they are.

[yavoon]

=D k then dont quote me.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by yavoon
=D k then dont quote me.

Apologies - you were the last person before I posted, but it was a general point.

Peace.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by yavoon
welfare is necessary, both social welfare and minimum wage welfare.

so all we can do is try to limit the abuse as best we can.

Please explain how minimum wage is welfare.