US to pull out of Germany and Saudi Arabia

[Dinner]

When I was in the reserves Germany was one of my favorite places to spend my two weeks. "Join the reserves and learn all the dive bars in western Germany" should have been a recruiting slogon.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by GePap
I think one of their big excuses is that bases in Germany are too expensive compared to new bases in Eastern Europe, plus these countries are closer to the areas the US is likely to be sending troops into, the ME and Central Asia.

GePap, do you know what the Russians reaction to this is?

[GePap]

Originally posted by DanS
None of the intervention in ex-Yugoslavia were defensive, they were humanitarian, and to "stabilize" the region.

It was more than defensive. It was pre-emptive.

to pre-empt what? a internal humanitaran crisis. Serbia was not about to invade anyone outside of its broders, given that kosovo was within its borders.

Then we have a question of acceptable force. You are correct, none of the Europeans could just send aircraft to bomb the Serbs. TYo intervene militarilly without the US they would have had to use much more bakcwards and politically expensive means, like moving heavy forces by land to Hungary and Serbia's border and threaten action from there.

but the fact is still that Serbia was in no concievable way a "danger" to any other European state, specially the Big Ones.

[Sava]

Serbia invading Germany...

Sounds like somebody is trying to get a job at FoxNews or the new Iraqi Information Ministry.

[GePap]

Originally posted by PLATO1003
GePap, do you know what the Russians reaction to this is?

none that matters. They already have dropped most complaints about NATO expansion, and once these states join NATO, they have every right to host forces from allied states.

[Shi Huangdi]

There was some talk in Germany about limiting how we can use our bases if we go to war in Iraq. I think it would be best to move bases to European countries that are more US friendly.

[GePap]

And in the end the Germans empossed no restrictions at all.....

[Sava]

Let's boycott them just to be safe.

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by GePap
And in the end the Germans empossed no restrictions at all.....

True. But there seemed to be a real possibility that they would; another less pragmatic leader at the helm and who knows what would have happened. Germany is a country with a strong pacifist feeling, there is a good chance if we ever want to go to war again that Germany will still be anti-war

[Lancer]

Damn good beer eh Oerdin?


I'll never forget the Germand that lived around Hof, which was very close to the border. Those were good people who understood the circumstances in which they lived, and appreciated the Americans barracked there. The Germans who were away from the border were a society in total denial and treated us pretty badly. I'd have traded them for the East Germans any day. Get some people in the West who understood what it was that we protected them from.

That's what's good about the move to the east. The people in these newly freed countries will appreciate the troops we send to protect their freedom.

We MUST redeploy while the Russians are on the ropes.

[gsmoove23]

So when will the Russians be joining NATO?

[Ned]

Yeah, we should move our bases to the Ukraine. The most likely conflicts in the region will be between the likes of Byelorussia and Poland, the Caucasus, Central Asia, the Middle East and Pakistan and India. No one is going to attack Old Europe. However New Europe borders on some very uncivilized types, including Beylorussia and Mother Russia. The Caucasus are torn by Islamic extremism. Ditto, Central Asia and the Middle East.

[Lancer]

Ned

gs23, they'll get some kind of associated status where they tell us where their forces are and we invite them to all the BBQs.