Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Brits seek missing WIMPs of universe

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #61
    a variety of superstrings theory speaks of that, IIRC.
    ( another chinese letter for me, superstrings. )
    urgh.NSFW

    Comment


    • #62
      Originally posted by Edan
      Are you considering time as one of those dimensions?
      Yes. Up/down, left/right, forward/back, future/past.

      String Theory requires something like 7 or 11 dimensions, etc And then theres all that other fun higher order physics stuff...
      String theory is very much speculation - nothing has been confirmed by experiment, or is likely to be in my lifetime.

      However, even ignoring time, there would have to be four extra dimensions. Consider the balloon example. That has 3 dimensions for a 2D balloon person, without time being added in.
      No, the 2D baloon person only has two (space) dimensions since he isn't allowed to move off the balloon. Add one time, gives 3. We live with one extra dimension, making 4.

      Comment


      • #63
        [emphasis mine]
        Originally posted by Rogan Josh

        No, the 2D baloon person only has two (space) dimensions since he isn't allowed to move off the balloon. Add one time, gives 3. We live with one extra dimension, making 4.
        Yes, but the balloon is in three dimensions.
        "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

        Comment


        • #64
          Originally posted by Azazel
          a variety of superstrings theory speaks of that, IIRC.
          Heterotic String Theory is in 10 dimensions. M-theory is in 11.

          I had dinner with Ed Witten once (the God of String Theory). Nice bloke, if a little odd.

          Comment


          • #65
            It's not supid if it does interact, just weakly, I just read it as it doesn't interact.

            7D

            Makes sense to me: Bizzaro World!!! each with 3 dimensions, +time.
            Monkey!!!

            Comment


            • #66
              RJ: I'd rather not touch it, at all. 11 dimensions? 10? wow.

              I'll just stick to chemistry.
              urgh.NSFW

              Comment


              • #67
                Edan: but the balloon is 3 dimensional (inc time). It doesn't need to be embedded in an extra dimension.

                Comment


                • #68
                  Originally posted by Rogan Josh
                  Edan: but the balloon is 3 dimensional (inc time). It doesn't need to be embedded in an extra dimension.
                  That makes no sense (and is completely opposite to what I learned in my Astronomy classes... admittedly, it has been a while...)

                  If you take a snapshot of the balloon universe, frozen in time, it will still exist in three dimensions- height, length and depth (at least from our perspective, if not the balloonians).
                  "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

                  Comment


                  • #69
                    I think I understand what he means. How would a 2d space that also would behave the same way (if you go one way, you'll come out from the other side ) form that way? It would be presented as a 3d sphere. and to present it's growth, it will be a baloon, that would grow. This also brings in a 'time' dimesion, so it's already 4d.

                    Now, let's take that basic 2d space we had, and turn it into our own "3d" space we had. we should have 5 dimensions.


                    urgh.NSFW

                    Comment


                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Azazel
                      Now, let's take that basic 2d space we had, and turn it into our own "3d" space we had. we should have 5 dimensions.
                      Right. There's simply a dimension that we have no access to.
                      "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

                      Comment


                      • #71
                        like the people we draw on the paper.
                        urgh.NSFW

                        Comment


                        • #72
                          balloonians?

                          You have to look at it from the perspective of the Balloonians ( ). Since they can never travel into the extra dimension that we see, it may as well not exist to them. In fact, it does not exist to them. Just like only 4 dimensions exist for us.

                          Comment


                          • #73
                            balloonians?



                            Seriously, though, it does exist to us, if infact, we can percieve it by observing nature. (that 4d-sphere universe thing )
                            urgh.NSFW

                            Comment


                            • #74
                              When I first visualised a hypercube it really gave me a funny feeling in my mind. You know that feeling when you do the magic eyes and you finally see your first 3-D image. That's the closest analogy to revelation I can think of.

                              Anyway see if you can get your head around the2-D representation of a 4-D cube.
                              Attached Files
                              One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

                              Comment


                              • #75
                                Well, the extra dimension would only exist to us if we could perceive it somehow. So for example, if a particle were able to propagate in the extra dimension and then interact with one of our experiments. But, from current experiments, there is no evidence of anything being able to leave our 4 dimensions to come back and tell us about it. Therefore, there is no evidence for the extra dimension.

                                Actually, extra dimensions are a hot topic at the moment because they may provide an alternative to supersymmetry (and the hierarchy problem). So there are lots of papers being published about extra dimensions.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X