What would the world be like if US pulled out of everywhere?

[Bereta_Eder]

Chaos would reign! The world decends into regional conflicts
Peace would reign! The world's problem causer has gone home



A correlation of the two.

[DinoDoc]

Turkey would have crushed Greece long ago without us. I'll let the reader decide if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

[Bereta_Eder]

Simplicity, simplicity.

US going away would also mean the US stops playing Greece and Turkey against eachother and selling weapons.

[Bereta_Eder]

Also it means that Turkey, a vile abuser of human rights and international law, will stop having a carte blanche and support from the US etc etc

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by PLATO1003


The presence of 200,000 soldiers and their dependents, plus the local people employed by the US Army, has quite a large effect on the German economy. Withdrawal of the US personel and the...

That sounds like plain BS to me. What difference would 200 000 people (or 70 000 according to Sir Ralph) make on the economy in a rich country with 80 millon inhabitants? Especially if they don't buy that much local goods. A friend of mine was working in Germany for a while and said that the Americans imported their own cars with American plates and everything. What's wrong with BMW:s?

I could imagine that large American bases could have some impact on the economy of Phillipines (especially bars and nightlife) but not in Germany.

[Bereta_Eder]

And what do you mean good or bad thing? People dying can be perceived by you as "good thing"?
11 Sept, Vietnam or violence in US streets is a good thing?

Or I should just let the reader decide.

[Jack the Bodiless]

Presumably, if the US pulled out of everywere else, then the Navajo would want their ancestral lands back. And the Sioux, and the Cherokee etc.

So everyone else in the US would have to emigrate to the only place with a US flag on it that nobody else has visited and that has no native inhabitants: the Moon.

[TCO]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph


You are greatly overestimating these forces. The bulk already withdrawed in the 90s. There are barely 70,000 soldiers plus their families left, who most of the time are abroad. The numbers you may have heard, are obsolete, and the often mentioned damage to our economy, if it's an issue at all, happened long ago. I think it's time for the rest to go home, too.

I think the French and Belgians and such like us staying there...

[Spiffor]

There are no American bases in France, and I really don't miss them
American bases in Germany are nearly autarchic, and bring much less to the German economy than a German city of 70.000.

The real loss for the Germans, if the Yanks leave, is that many very American products won't be found anywhere. Americans sure can teach a lesson to the Germans when it comes to T-bones :yum:

[TCO]

Originally posted by Spiffor
There are no American bases in France, and I really don't miss them
American bases in Germany are nearly autarchic, and bring much less to the German economy than a German city of 70.000.

The real loss for the Germans, if the Yanks leave, is that many very American products won't be found anywhere. Americans sure can teach a lesson to the Germans when it comes to T-bones :yum:

You didn't understand my point. I'm saying those other countries like having occupution of Germany.

[TCO]

I;m not really serious.

[PLATO]

Okay, let's assume a force level of 70,000 for US forces in Germany (I'll admit my original data could be dated and I can't find a link to get current data.)

Lets also assume that each soldier provides a modest US$700 per month to the local economy. What do these numbers really mean?

700 X 70,000 = US$49,000,000

Annualized, this equals 49,000,000 X 12 = $588,000,000

The last generally accepted multiplier effect for dollars spent that I am aware of is an economic impact of $3 for every $1 spent. This gives us an economic impact of:

588,000,000 X 3 = $1,764,000,000

per year!

This figure does not include regular employment provided to German nationals (which is extensive) and the economic impact of their incomes upon the German economy.

As long as I am assuming, then lets assume 15,000 German nationals employed at an annual salary of US$20,000. (Admittedly these figures are simply pulled out of the air and are only for sake of argument)

15,000 X 20,000 = 300,000,000

Using the multiplier effect gives us:

300,000,000 X 3 = $900,000,000

per year.

This would make the total direct impact on the German economy:

1,764,000,000 + 900,000,000 = $2,664,000,000

Now let's further assume that the cost in wages lost due to German business contracting due to the above mentioned economic loss at 1/3 of the total and we get:

2,664,000,000/3 + 2,664,000,000 = $3,552,000,000

With an economic impact of over $3.5 billion per year, one could hardly say that the German economy wouldn't notice.

[TCO]

There is undoubtedly some beneficial economic aspect of having US troops there. But I would also add the value of the bases to the other side. If the Germans convert some of the land used to civilian use, that may have benefits to the economy.

[DarthVeda]

$3.5 billion worth? I doubt that.

[gunkulator]

Originally posted by Spiffor
American bases in Germany are nearly autarchic, and bring much less to the German economy than a German city of 70.000.

Hard to say. The few soldiers I've known in Germany note that it really is one of the better places to be stationed as far as going out into the country. All applaud the beer (of course) but most also take advantage of tourism along with the chance to buy a German car at a much better price than they could get back home.