Old Europe meets

[TCO]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
Yes of cource it resonates if you think it makes a point from your political perspective. That doesn't make the term good. IMHO it's just a euphemism for an insult. It's so much easier refute someone with a cliché but that doesn't make ones statements valid or meningful.

Oh...don't get so buttclenched. We are used to all the "cowboy" remarks. Learn to take it a little.

[Spiffor]

Yes, but it is true that you are cowboys.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Spiffor

...a world with the United States, Europe, Whina, India and Latin America ...

I know it is bad style to complain about typos, but "Whina" is too funny

Who, between Tony Blair and Jacques Chirac, has most potential for his views to being followed ? After originally facing a hostile public opinion, the Prime Minister is considerably strengthened by the Iraqi war. By taking the initiative on the European defense with Germany, Belgium and Luxemburg, the French President has created a "trailblazing group". However, the Blairist idea is a majority in the widened EU, as the either indignated or sarcastic reactions to the mini summit show it.

I rather tend to go with Blair here. The problem with the multi-polar world is that we can´t simply declare our world multi-polar when this doesn´t have anything to do with the current reality. And even if we seek to create such a world, I don´t see any chance to form a pole which acts openly against the US, this will end in a big mess. We can´t overpower them, that is an illusion. What we can reach is (and this is a high goal, given the current situation in Europe) a kind of political balance in certain fields so that we accept the role of the US, and they accept our positions.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by BeBro


I know it is bad style to complain about typos, but "Whina" is too funny

OK, I'll keep it

[TCO]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Yes, but it is true that you are cowboys.

We like our stereoptype. And as with most stereotypes there is a grain of truth in it...

[Ned]

Originally posted by BeBro

I rather tend to go with Blair here. The problem with the multi-polar world is that we can´t simply declare our world multi-polar when this doesn´t have anything to do with the current reality. And even if we seek to create such a world, I don´t see any chance to form a pole which acts openly against the US, this will end in a big mess. We can´t overpower them, that is an illusion. What we can reach is (and this is a high goal, given the current situation in Europe) a kind of political balance in certain fields so that we accept the role of the US, and they accept our positions.

Blair made quite an impression on the US. I hope he has a similar effect on Europe. Blair is a great leader and a man of vision. I truly hope the Europeans listen to him.

We need to unite, Europe and the US, against the dictators of the world and the abusers of human rights. Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and now Iraq show what can happen even if we are somewhat united. We can make the world better.

It is truly sad that Chirac, furthering his idea of an anti-US European "balance," openly and not so openly, supported one of the most brutal dictatorships the world has ever seen. I see that the French people are beginning to have second thoughts about what Chirac did. They should.

[Kropotkin]

Oh...don't get so buttclenched. We are used to all the "cowboy" remarks. Learn to take it a little.

Just because there's remarks just as stupid doesn't mean that this one (or the others) should be used at all. You mean for example that women should accept to be talked about as if they where less able just because this has "stuck"? Well, I'll remember this if I ever find you whining about americabashing.

We like our stereoptype. And as with most stereotypes there is a grain of truth in it...

I guess you mean in the same way that ******s are considered lazy and stupid.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Kropotkin
Fez, oh yes tell me more about how outdated the german industry is!

It is outmoded and outdated. How the hell can you in denial about that? They failed to modernize and are paying the PRICE! It has to do with dumb labor laws giving the upper hand to labor unions.

[gunkulator]

Originally posted by BeBro

I rather tend to go with Blair here. The problem with the multi-polar world is that we can´t simply declare our world multi-polar when this doesn´t have anything to do with the current reality. And even if we seek to create such a world, I don´t see any chance to form a pole which acts openly against the US, this will end in a big mess. We can´t overpower them, that is an illusion. What we can reach is (and this is a high goal, given the current situation in Europe) a kind of political balance in certain fields so that we accept the role of the US, and they accept our positions.

Multipolar world = dangerous world. They last one included nasties like the Cold War, arms race, propping up tinpot dictatorships, high stakes espionage, and probably a lot more unpleasantries I'm forgetting. Probably the best thing that happened in the 20th century was the fall of Soviet Union, which helped put an end to 40+ years of insanity.

What the US, Europe and Canada (and maybe Russia someday) need to do is be is a united force for human rights and economic development in the world. Trying to play one against the other is just starting down the long dark road of multipolarism again. It's nuts and frankly, it's just plain bad for the human kind.

That doesn't mean the US should have all the power, however. We should democraticly decide on international action. What is needed is a stronger political union of the "free world". The UN doesn't cut it.

[gsmoove23]

Will the next incarnation of the UN cut it? International action won't 'cut it' until we are willing to put the resources into it and put alot of trust into the process. That means going along even when we may disagree with its decisions.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Yes, but it is true that you are cowboys.

Nothing is cooler than a cowboy.


Unless he's gay, then it's arkward.

[Spiffor]

Argentinan cowboys are way cooler than yours. I mean, they are real
Now, about Argentinian gay cowboys...

[Giancarlo]

What are you talking about?

[TCO]

We have real cowboys. When I lived in NM, I used to see advertisements for working cowboys. It is a lot like carpentry (you are supposed to have your own gear).

I think Argentina is muy cool also, though.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Fez
What are you talking about?

About the people working in ranches in Argentina, who actually ride horses to guide the cattle. I've forgotten the Argentinian name though.