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  • Why we SHOULD have invaded Iraq

    NOTE: I'm talking about the reasons we SHOULD have invaded Iraq, NOT why we DID.

    First, I'd like to make a point to head off a bunch of "evil bush administration" posts. Here's a pretty common scenario: you have a corporation, and it donates money to charity. Now, this corporation almost assuredly has an ulterior motive (make ourselves look good), but it doesn't mean we should prevent them from giving the money to charity. Doing a good thing for wrong reasons isn't necessarily bad (note: if those wrong reasons result in a different action, then the action itself isn't necessarily good, and the rule still holds).



    The reasons for going into Iraq were pretty self-evident. We (America) are capable of going in there and removing an oppressive totalitarian (redundant?) regime that had shown a tendancy to declare war on its neighbors. Replacing this regime with a liberal democratic (as in, not the sort of democracy that existed in 1900) government can do nothing but good for the people of Iraq and the stability of the region. We are capable of doing a good thing, and therefore it is not our right, but our RESPONISIBILITY to do the right thing. Now, if we just suck Iraq dry of oil, or establish an equally oppressive regime that's friendly to us, then we aren't doing a good thing, and so the rule holds.

    Some may say, however, that we're only doing it in places that make our president look good [to the American people], so he's really a hypocrite. I say, SO WHAT?! If he's doing something good, why stop him? The only possible problem there is that he should be doing MORE of it - that is, overthrowing regimes in other countries too. In fact, that's what I think - we should do that to the maximum of our ability.

    Another point, that the national security element [and WMD's] are irrelevent to this discussion.

    At school, a friend of mine I argue politics with a lot disagrees with me about this argument, but his argument is that morality is subjective, which is a conflict of fundamental premises, and therefore irreconcilable.

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    I agree there were many reasons to invade. Unfortunately beyond "Saddam is bad" there isn't anything else that carries any moral weight.
    To us, it is the BEAST.

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    • #3
      We shouldn't have invaded it at all.

      Your reason for invading was disproven in a thread by fellow conservative, Dindoc, months ago. Iraq invaded Iran after Iran began supporting terrorist attacks upon them. Or would you argue that isn't a valid reason, thus admitting we were wrong to invade Afganistan? Kuwait was waging economic war on Iraq and stealing Iraqi oil. In both wars that Hussein started, he had valid causi belli. You may love to hate Hussein, and he was certainly a murderes bastard, but he wasn't trying to conquer the Middle East, let alone the world.
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • #4
        Good luck, Skywalker.
        You're playing cards with people, not of a full-deck.
        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
        "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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        • #5
          Regional stability wasn't the only reason I provided - I also pointed out that his government is oppressive.

          How is "Saddam ['s government] is bad" not enough? Unless there's someone more oppressive?

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          • #6
            What about the oil and NBC weapons issues, Sloww?
            (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
            (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
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            • #7
              Originally posted by skywalker
              How is "Saddam ['s government] is bad" not enough?
              This question assumes that we should care about the form Iraq's government takes in the first place.
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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              • #8
                Originally posted by SlowwHand
                Good luck, Skywalker.
                You're playing cards with people, not of a full-deck.
                Your correct. I seem to be missing the cards with rational Pro-War arguments.
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #9
                  The biggest instability in the region is the Israel/Palestine issue. The most opressive regime in the region is the Saudi government.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by skywalker
                    Regional stability wasn't the only reason I provided - I also pointed out that his government is oppressive.

                    How is "Saddam ['s government] is bad" not enough? Unless there's someone more oppressive?
                    Saudi Arabia, Syria... hmm... just about everyone else in the Middle East except for Israel. And they aren't exactly poster-children for human rights either.

                    And are you under the impression that removing Saddam makes the region more stable??
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • #11
                      I don't know if I fit the descripton of people who should not post, because their posts are interpreted as anti-republican. But I do it anyway.

                      We are capable of doing a good thing, and therefore it is not our right, but our RESPONISIBILITY to do the right thing. Now, if we just suck Iraq dry of oil, or establish an equally oppressive regime that's friendly to us, then we aren't doing a good thing, and so the rule holds.
                      Well:

                      A. Establish an equally oppressive regime. I think that's the only reason for US-troops to remain in Iraq.

                      B. We (Americans) are capable of doing a good thing. Ahm, no, I don't think that the Americans are capable to reshape Iraq like they want. The American military was able to conquer Iraq. And it has the abiltiy to establish an oppressive regime. It is beyond the capability of America to reshape a country.

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                      • #12
                        As you may have noticed, I supported MORE of the interventions. Also, just because we aren't doing enough good things doesn't make the good things we're doing BAD.

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                        • #13
                          I get SO tired of hearing that oil crap.
                          Go get your facts straight. We don't NEED Iraq oil.
                          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                          "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                            Kuwait was waging economic war on Iraq and stealing Iraqi oil. In both wars that Hussein started, he had valid causi belli. You may love to hate Hussein, and he was certainly a murderes bastard, but he wasn't trying to conquer the Middle East, let alone the world.
                            Bull****. Since when is "economic war" causus belli? I guess we could go invade anybody we have a trade dispute with. Glad to know that gets te Che stamp of approval.

                            Learn the geography of the area, Che. Saddam wanted to control all the oil fields in the Gulf including the Saudi ones. They are all quite close together.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SlowwHand
                              I get SO tired of hearing that oil crap.
                              Go get your facts straight. We don't NEED Iraq oil.
                              Sure we don't need it. But it sure does make a lot of money. KBR (a Halliburton company) has a 7 billion dollar contract.
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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