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  • Homosexuality: Are there any biblical arguements for it?

    Well?

    I'm debating with this guy who is a catholic (i know, its going to be difficult) and he keeps saying "WELL THEY HAVE A CHOICE!!! THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT ITS EVEN IN THE GENES!!!! THEY ARE SINNERS AND WILL BE CAST TO HELL!".

    I need biblical arguements to counter this or else this person won't see the truth.
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    • #3
      Tassadar, I would say "Right... I would choose to be gay... and face all the crap I do. Uh huh sure... You can't even prove that god exists, so I wouldn't make assertions about something else."
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      • #4
        bah I'm catholic too but I'm not an intolerant.. live and let live.
        BTW, I'm pretty sure that in no place of the Bible appears something about being a sinner if you're gay.
        The only thing it say that one have to be loyal to your wife.. or well, "partner in love". You know, monogamic.. and that's for heteros ans homosexuals.
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        • #5
          yes but back then you could go around calling people gay and they'd say thank you ......

          I agree, burn them although im sure there is something in the genes that influences it.

          Best to believe in god just to be on the safe side

          And if you're looking for a straight definitive answer from the bible on anything good luck
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          • #6
            i think theres a line in the bible that mentions something along the lies of god will cast you down to the eternal hellfires if "you lie with a man as you would a woman", but that could be some anti-gay bastard making up bible quotes that i'd never bother to check
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            • #7
              There is the thing about Sodom (where we get the word sodomy from) where the men were gay and god destroyed that city saying they were sinning
              Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outward, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendant, and to embrace them is to acheive enlightenment.

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              • #8
                Inform him that official stance of his own church is that homosexual orientation isn't chosen.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lazerus
                  There is the thing about Sodom (where we get the word sodomy from) where the men were gay and god destroyed that city saying they were sinning
                  Um, that's not what Sodom was destroyed for at all. In fact, that's a common misperception about the story. Sodom was destroyed because of inhospitality towards guests, not because of there being homosexuals there.

                  Keep in mind, there was no concept of anyone being "gay" until the late 19th century...
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                  • #10
                    There is the thing about Sodom (where we get the word sodomy from) where the men were gay and god destroyed that city saying they were sinning
                    Sodom and Gommorah were destroyed cause they lived in excess... not because they were gay people...
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lazerus
                      There is the thing about Sodom (where we get the word sodomy from) where the men were gay and god destroyed that city saying they were sinning
                      nothing like raining sulfur on a village to show your benevolence.

                      but god's been cool since then.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Chilean President

                        Sodom and Gommorah were destroyed cause they lived in excess... not because they were gay people...
                        Yeah, dat too!
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Chilean President

                          Sodom and Gommorah were destroyed cause they lived in excess... not because they were gay people...
                          "pleasures of the flesh" i believe it was called where the men had other men as sex slaves and it was seen as a sin to have sex where there was no chance of a child being born (thats why the early religion was against contraception aswell)
                          Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outward, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendant, and to embrace them is to acheive enlightenment.

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                          • #14
                            Ezek 16:49: "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, surfeit of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy."
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                            • #15
                              I believe JC mentions something about the fate of homosexuals and such in Hell, surprised the Hell out of me. The thing which most christians seem to forget is nowhere does it say homosexuality is a greater sin then say, sex before marriage and how many of these christians who decry homosexuality are hard and fast on the whole sex before marriage thing.

                              I remember having these arguements with a former religious girlfriend and keeping quiet on that point since I didn't want her to come to the obvious conclusion.

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