Military Strengths

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by elijah
Gotta say I like Jackson's better... besides... I can mod it!

Pah!

[Mr. President]

What is it? The M62?

[Sheep]

I am working out a system for my nations incorporating the economy and the population into the military stats. If its successful I will post it here for you all to use

[Sheep]

If anyone could point me in the direction of the post where somone showed us a syetem of GDP and economic levels, I would be much apprecitaive.

[Drogue]

Let me give you an example Sheep, New Sheepsta has a "Very Strong" economy, thus we would be looking at something around the $20,000 to $30,000 US. Being an "Iron Fist Consumerists", "which measures its success by the nation's GDP", but with a very high tax, I would suggest it is near the middle of that band. Say about $25,000 US. Multiply that by your population of 543 Million and you get a total GDP of $13575 Billion US. With a 100% tax rate, that is also total tax revenue, and with defence as the main priority, I suggest about 8% of total GDP goes on defense, which is huge (Akiria's is 6.5% and defense is also one of its main priorities). That gives a total military budget of $1086 Billion US.

As for military numbers, sinc eit is "remarkable for its compulsory military service", I suggest something high, so about 1.5% of total population, which is about 5-6% of total male population able to work between 18 and 45 IIRC. That would give a total military personnel of 8.145 Million, of which proabbly about 3 Million will be support services. That is also very large.

Feel free to use this if you wish, or RP differently. That is what I would use, and it is a huge budget. This is only for New Sheepsta, however I will happily do the same for New Griffith, or any other nation you wish. I believe this is realistic.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Drogue
Let me give you an example Sheep, New Sheepsta has a "Very Strong" economy, thus we would be looking at something around the $20,000 to $30,000 US. Being an "Iron Fist Consumerists", "which measures its success by the nation's GDP", but with a very high tax, I would suggest it is near the middle of that band.

Unless there's an official definition somewhere, my take on "Iron Fist Consumerists" is the nation has very few rights, and the economy depends on a large internal market for consumer goods instead of replying on exports. A bit like the US, but even more of a police state.

So, with all the internal turmoil, its economy should be taildiving just about now.

[GeneralTacticus]

Say about $25,000 US. Multiply that by your population of 543 Million and you get a total GDP of $13575 Billion US. With a 100% tax rate, that is also total tax revenue, and with defence as the main priority, I suggest about 8% of total GDP goes on defense, which is huge (Akiria's is 6.5% and defense is also one of its main priorities). That gives a total military budget of $1086 Billion US.

While such a level of spending would probably be feasible (if something of a burden on the economy), I wouldn't say that it was necessarily that high; do remember that just because a coutnry has a 100% tax rate doesn't mean it has that all available for welfare programs and so forth; most of it would probably be used up just in the process of running an economy.

[Drogue]

GT: Very true, but when working out the %, I assumed that. I would suggest that when defence is it's pirmary concern, 8% is about right, about 6% for joint top concern, about 4% for secondary, about 2% for not being mentioned, and about 0-1% for "virtually no funds". If it's Sheepsta's primary concern, then 8% for that, less than 8% for everything else, so a maximum of 24% for all things mentioned. There could still be 40% minimum eaten up by inefficiency, burocracy, runing the economy etc.

UR: Iron Fist Consumerists means the country is run like a company, where profit is everything, rights are few, and citizens are "human resources". A bit like the Ferengi from Star Trek, but a little more of corrupt dictator style.

[Sheep]

Thanks I have done all the stuff yesterday. I will be posting the nations stats today.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Drogue
UR: Iron Fist Consumerists means the country is run like a company, where profit is everything, rights are few, and citizens are "human resources". A bit like the Ferengi from Star Trek, but a little more of corrupt dictator style.

Nah, I maintain my interpretation. It seems that "consumerist" is derived from "consumerism," which of course stipulates spending money in internal consumption is a good thing.

[Drogue]

Well, it means spending on everything. However that doesn't mean that that country does not export, merely that it consumes a lot. That is good for the economy.

[Sheep]

Sedd Grand Moff Tim's numbers. I think they are a little excessive.

[Urban Ranger]

Agreed. GMT has some explaining to do wrt government finances.

[Grand Moff Tim]

Alright, I admit I got a little carried away. Do you find these numbers more reasonable?

Westport's Military:

Population: 796 million
Organization and doctrine of our military is based heavily on the US model.

Army:

1,500,000 active personnel
2,000,000 reserve personnel
100,000 Paratroopers
20,000 Special Forces
Vehicle and Aircraft numbers are classified but are about what you'd expect for a modern, highly mechanized army of the given size.

Navy

1,000,000 active personnel
500,000 reserve personnel
12 Aircraft Carriers
30 AEGIS Cruisers
18 Cruisers
48 AEGIS Destroyers
48 ASW Destroyers
52 ASW Frigates
48 Attack subs
12 Ballistic missile subs
16 Cruise missile subs
12 Amphibious assault ships
24 Minelayers
48 Minesweepers
Carriers and subs are all Nuclear powered
Fleet train numbers about 350 ships total.
Vehicle and Aircraft numbers are classified.

Air Force

600,000 active personnel
600,000 reserve personnel
Vehicle and Aircraft numbers are classified.

Marines

500,000 active personnel
500,000 reserve personnel
Vehicle and Aircraft numbers are classified.

Nuclear arsenal

600 ICBMs(400 MIRV, 200 unitary)
MIRV payload: 10 200KT warheads
unitary payload: 25MT warhead
1,000 IRBMs(800 MIRV, 200 unitary)
MIRV payload: 3 200KT warheads
unitary payload: 5MT warhead
240 SLBMs(180 MIRV, 60 unitary)
MIRV payload: 3 200KT warheads
unitary payload: 5MT warhead
1,000 nuclear cruise missiles(yields vary, but are no greater than 200KT)
1,500 nuclear bombs(yield varies, from sub-KT to multi-MT)
3,000 nuclear artillery shells(sub to low KT yields)
200 nuclear mines(KT to MT yields)

Total: 13,100 warheads

ABM System
Can handle an arsenal comparable in size to our own.

Other
Westport maintains a massive stockpile of Chemical weapons. Westport is also rumored to possess a bioweapons program.
Conditions under which Westport will use WMDs:
1. Invasion of the homeland.
2. Use of WMDs against Westport troops/civilians.
3. Use of WMDs against an ally.

[Whaleboy]

I referred GMT's post to the military committee, we will be able to give you a more precise answer there.