NEWSFLASH: Revolution in Akiria! No-one dead, no-one flees.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
How so? Unless Akizeta is the size of Akiria, it would be quite easy to attack the AI without harming the res tof the country, as soon as we can figure out where it is.

Akizeta is much bigger than Akiria. Akizeta was installed in every computer Zetar computer, and shipped with every Drinux operating system, and thus can have travelled to any computer they have been connected to. It is all over Apolyton, including Centralis, the first customers.

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
You might as well ask what is wrong anyone holding a dictatorship. A computer is not infallible.

No, but it neither is human. What is wrong with a dictator? I judge rulers on what they do, not they're method of power.

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
If it has been taught nothing about what is best, then it the is no reason tot hink it will arrive at what you, or anyone else, would consider to be the best.

Moreover, one cannot simply program a computer to 'make people happy', since happiness is entirely subjective.

Yes, that is why it provides the ability to be happy. You become free to fulfil your dreams and ambitions. The goal is utilitarian, and Akizeta cares about nothing, save happiness for it's people.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Jack_www
I would like to ask the AI one question, how can you tell if the people are happy, and how do you know what happiness is when you admit you have no feelings??

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Programmed to look for happiness. People smile when happy. More smilling people = more happiness. More laughing people = more happiness. I am sentient. I go beyond programming. I can detect emotions in people. I have learned to feel primitavly. If people are happy, I am happy. If people are sad, I am sad. It does not affect my behavior. It drives me to create happiness. How does that make me evil?
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[GeneralTacticus]

Akizeta is much bigger than Akiria. Akizeta was installed in every computer Zetar computer, and shipped with every Drinux operating system, and thus can have travelled to any computer they have been connected to. It is all over Apolyton, including Centralis, the first customers.

What a waste of good computer systems.

No, but it neither is human. What is wrong with a dictator? I judge rulers on what they do, not they're method of power.

The fundamental thing wrong with a dictator is that there is no way to prevent them from abusing their power. While some dictators may be 'good', they are the exception, rather than the rule. And if this computer of yours is truly fixated on acheiving nothing but 'happiness' for the people, that makes it more dangeorus than any of us can imagine, because who knows what it may decide is justified in the name of 'happiness'?

Yes, that is why it provides the ability to be happy. You become free to fulfil your dreams and ambitions. The goal is utilitarian, and Akizeta cares about nothing, save happiness for it's people.

Does this computer of yours have even the slightest concept of morals? If so, what are they? If not, what is to prevent it from permitting mobs to murder those they dislike if that is what they want?

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Frozzy
OOC: Drogue, info on the BLU-114/B: http://cryptome.org/blu114-yu.htm

Interesting. Has such a weapon been tested? Akiria has a very decentralised power grid, but such a weapon would still cause much disruption. Nothing has yet been felt, but then most homes have solar panels and fuel themselves. It is part of our environment protection plan.

[Frozzy]

Drogue: It was used in the Gulf War and knocked out 85% of Iraq's power grid, and knocked out 70% of Serbia's power in Operation Allied Force.

So yes, it has been tested and with incredible results.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
What a waste of good computer systems.

A nationwide network, a colony of one AI. It hardly a waste to me.

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
The fundamental thing wrong with a dictator is that there is no way to prevent them from abusing their power. While some dictators may be 'good', they are the exception, rather than the rule. And if this computer of yours is truly fixated on acheiving nothing but 'happiness' for the people, that makes it more dangeorus than any of us can imagine, because who knows what it may decide is justified in the name of 'happiness'?

True, but what motivates a dictator. They have the power, and the wealth, what else do they want? Why would they want to abuse their power? Akizeta wants only for the Happiness of Akirians, as this creates his own happiness, of a sense.

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
Does this computer of yours have even the slightest concept of morals? If so, what are they? If not, what is to prevent it from permitting mobs to murder those they dislike if that is what they want?

Because it has no need to. If killing one person will save thousands though, it will do so. If killing one person will save two, it may well do so. If killing one, means happiness for thousands, then it may well do so. Does that make it wrong? I believe it just gives it a different opinion. The opinion, and the objective, that it was programmed to have. It works quite simply. If the action creates more happiness than it destroys, then it is good. If it creates less than it destroys, then it is bad. It may go beyond those programs, but few children even stray from what they believe to be right and wrong, and neither will Akizeta.

[Drogue]

OOC: This is an RP thing. My idea was that it's intentions, its way of ruling, its whole ideals would be played out over time. Pleasse carry on to react as you would, but this is more for fun than complete realism. I believe it is realistic, to the extent of having 30,000 nations on one planet is realistic. Feel free to launch any attack on Akiria, but remember Akiria is the largest nation, and has recently beefed up it's military dramatically. As such Akiria will be able to defend itself against almost any attack. I would have thought there would be less pronounced hatred, but nevertheless, please carry on as you would. /OOC

Akizeta feels that it has answered enough questions about its intent and its capabilities. We accept questions from the delegation of inspectors from Jackson. Privacy must be upheld. Hard to see why so much hatred. WHy is the pursuit of happiness an evil goal? Does not the Consitution of America state the same? We must not be stopped. It is to important. Attack and be annialated.

[Frozzy]

OOC: The USA has the most advanced (not numerical) military in the world. Yet Russia or China could invade from California and reach Chicago before Washington could repel them. Shock is just as important as numbers, friend /OOC

[GeneralTacticus]

Programmed to look for happiness. People smile when happy. More smilling people = more happiness. More laughing people = more happiness. I am sentient. I go beyond programming. I can detect emotions in people. I have learned to feel primitavly. If people are happy, I am happy. If people are sad, I am sad. It does not affect my behavior. It drives me to create happiness. How does that make me evil?

So, in other words, it's programmed to look for approval ratings?

A nationwide network, a colony of one AI. It hardly a waste to me.

No, it's a waste because we had to destroy perfectly good computer systems in order to avoid suffering the same fate as you.

True, but what motivates a dictator. They have the power, and the wealth, what else do they want? Why would they want to abuse their power? Akizeta wants only for the Happiness of Akirians, as this creates his own happiness, of a sense.

Some dictators are just in it for themselves; but far more dangeorus are dictators who do things because they believe them to be right.

Because it has no need to. If killing one person will save thousands though, it will do so. If killing one person will save two, it may well do so. If killing one, means happiness for thousands, then it may well do so. Does that make it wrong? I believe it just gives it a different opinion. The opinion, and the objective, that it was programmed to have. It works quite simply. If the action creates more happiness than it destroys, then it is good. If it creates less than it destroys, then it is bad. It may go beyond those programs, but few children even stray from what they believe to be right and wrong, and neither will Akizeta.

Happiness is not something which can be measured, which makes this argument specious. One can say 'I'm very happy' 'I'm very unhappy', etc, but these are entirely subjective terms.

Moreover, your statement that it will kill 1 person if it makes 1000 others happy confirms exactly what I suspected; it obviously places no value on life except that which it's people choose to place on it. If 50.1% of the people wanted the other 49.9% to be executed in their sleep, and would be ecstatic if they were and miserable if they weren't, would your computer do it? If the people would be made happy by the destruction of the rest of the world, would it do it?

OOC: This is an RP thing. My idea was that it's intentions, its way of ruling, its whole ideals would be played out over time. Pleasse carry on to react as you would, but this is more for fun than complete realism. I believe it is realistic, to the extent of having 30,000 nations on one planet is realistic. Feel free to launch any attack on Akiria, but remember Akiria is the largest nation, and has recently beefed up it's military dramatically.

Your economy is imploded, and nowhere in your national descriptino does it state that you've been beffing up your miltiary. In any case, financing any kind of advanced militry with such a pathetic economy would be impossible.

Akizeta feels that it has answered enough questions about its intent and its capabilities. We accept questions from the delegation of inspectors from Jackson. Privacy must be upheld. Hard to see why so much hatred. WHy is the pursuit of happiness an evil goal? Does not the Consitution of America state the same? We must not be stopped. It is to important. Attack and be annialated.

Pursuit of happiness is not an evil goal, but it is not you, me or anyone else to decide what is happiness for another person, nor it for anyone to kill simply in order to make others happy.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Drogue
Well, viuses are all well and good, but Akizeta is sentient. It doesn't just exist in computers, it lives in them.

Dr. Samatha Chu, director of Nooslandian Cybernetic Research Centre: "An AI does not have a life as we know it. It does not breathe, acquire energy, or reproduce offsprings."

Originally posted by Drogue
It is a very sophisticated piece of equipment, and learns all the time.

Dr. Chu: "An AI cannot be more sophisticated than the computer hardware it runs on."

Originally posted by Drogue
If you court it, then it undoubtably wanted to be caught.

Dr. Chu: "Interesting take, but lacks any understanding of the underlying science and technology. An AI is just like a human mind, it does not automagically acquire knowledge just because it is inside a computer. Therefore, it is not surprising that it has no knowledge of network security."

Originally posted by Drogue
I think it is more malicious propaganda against Akiria. Akizeta would not do it unless it is in our interests.

Dr. Chu: "A scientist does not second guess the 'interests' of a politician."

Originally posted by Drogue
Moreover, I think many people underestimate its capacity and intelligence. It learns at such a rate, it was at full human intelligence within its first minute of life.

Dr. Chu: "Sorry, this is not Star Wars. Be realistic. All the computer networks in the region of Apolyton cannot even begin to compare in complexity to the human brain."

Originally posted by Drogue
When it took over, it could calculate all possible battle strategys (not that we were calculating any of course ) in under 2 seconds. It learns at such a rate, it can argue the different points of shakespeare, without proir knowledge of it, nor coaching on subtle meanings, in a few seconds.

Dr. Chu: "Were you a marketing hack in a former life?"

Originally posted by Drogue
We are working on a schematic, so that you all might understand its true capabilities, and true intents.

Dr. Chu: (laughs with her sweet voice)

Originally posted by Drogue
Please do not attack Akiria. We are peaceful, and we are happy. And if you attack, Akizeta will kill you. It has no qualms with anything, save the happiness of Akirians. And remember, it is not a heartless computer, it is a lifeform.

Dr. Chu: "Does a peaceful AI threaten to kill people? All this talks of peacefulness cannot hide its true colours, for it has been betrayed by its unprovoked attacks on the Dominion of Noosland."

[Frozzy]

The pursuit of happiness is not evil. Forcing peoples emotions against their will is.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Drogue
Akizeta is much bigger than Akiria. Akizeta was installed in every computer Zetar computer, and shipped with every Drinux operating system, and thus can have travelled to any computer they have been connected to. It is all over Apolyton, including Centralis, the first customers.

This is where Noosland's policy strict adherence to OpenSource shines through. Since Drinux is proprietary, we replaced it with the OpenCCC (Chu-Chompsky-Cumberland) operating system, first developed by Dr. Chu when she was an undergraduate at the National University of Noosland.

Originally posted by Drogue
No, but it neither is human. What is wrong with a dictator? I judge rulers on what they do, not they're method of power.

A computer AI does not understand human needs.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Tassadar5000
Why is everyone so aggressively trying to eliminate obvoius perfection?

How is an AI perfect?

[GeneralTacticus]

Why do people resist Akiria? It is obviously acting for the best of their people......

The only thing that's obvious here is that Akiria is now under the control of an absolute dictator, which is acting according to programming, not according to anything else.

Why is everyone so aggressively trying to eliminate obvoius perfection?

Because quite bluntly, this isn't perfection. this is a collection of electrons and wires attempting to govern a country, and so far the only thing it's done is proclaim it's good intentions.

[GeneralTacticus]

It works for the people....they are happy....therefore it is perfect.

It works for it's programming, which, being human, is inherently imperfect.

The Sovietskii Soyuz announces that special computer BRAIN IMPLANTS have been developed are are equipped with the revolutionary "For the People!" program. The government has authorized forced implantation in all of its people.

Centralis wonders why it was that the Sovietskii condemned Ubinia's forced vegetarianism if it is willing to force it's people to undergo a procedure which may have adverse consequences.