What happens next?

[xiaodave]

Originally posted by Mr. President
Unfortunately, the disparate military strengths were based on the fact that the Hive was always rated as having the largest arms manufacturing sector, &c.

For the record, I might have been tempted to take Frankychan's side, 'cause he's just an all-round nice guy. But then I joined the League of Armed Neutrality, and Centralis and Noosland which are neighbors and past allies of Karakas jumped in against him, and then it would have been awkward to find a reason and a way in . . .

Seems to me some Azani Terrorist elements could have struck your homeland forcing you onto the other side. Giving some very interesting rp oppertunities as you find yourself opposing your traditional allies. My point with that is that its rp, one could come up with an excuse to oppose santa claus if you wanted to.

Now I understand the Hive is the biggest, that makes sense. They have the population and the ranking. But why are they 10-1 big? That doesnt neccisarily follow, especially if you want to continue to have fun and interesting rp possiblilities.

Please dont think me terribly rude for hopping in here with all my questions. To be honest I dont even know what an FCL is But there seem to be some fundimental flaws that are getting in the way of you guys rping anything of a military nature and Im trying to understand them.

[Frankychan]

Ah, it's all good. There are no dumb questions for the sake of gaining knowledge.

FCL-shortened version of FrankyChanLand.

Well, it's like this. FCL attacked Azan (which was a smaller nation). Then Guardinia and Ceroo jumped in. Hive jumped in, then other nations jumped in. It was like one big dogpile with everyone jumping in. The probabilities aren't that messed up. They aren't necessarily 10-1, but how things ended up make it seem that way.

[joncha]

I posted this in the OOC thread for Azazel when he joined the roleplay. I thought it might be helpful, xiaodave.

Originally posted by joncha
Here's the links to all the other FCL/Azan threads:

"A Tyrant Arises"

Former Azan

FCL/Azan roleplay

...and I almost forgot this one:

game mechanics for Azan

[Urban Ranger]

Good ideas.

I support option #1 and a turn structure.

[xiaodave]

Alright fair enough, makes sense.

Leaves me with two questions.

Just so I know, the Hive is the biggie. But how big militarily is it compared to the military of say the average size of one of the other 10? Whichever one is say middle of the pack out of the others.

Two, rather than slow down the fun by having 10 against 1 now that the Hive has pulled out. Why not come up with an rp excuse to even up the sides a little player wise? It seems that you could roleplay a split between the defending forces, leaving FCL as a wildcard playing one against the other. This may not make immediate rp sense but it will let you very shortly return to a full out rpfest that filled 500 posts on the last thread and it wont put all of the pressure on one person to hold up one side of the whole struggle.

[Urban Ranger]

Well, Ras can always go crazy and switch sides again... though he had taken some serious losses.

Some alliance countries may consider attacking FCL itself to overthrow General Franky Chan, while the others could say, "Heck no, we are just here kicking out the FCL forces from Azan, nothing more." So they may drop out, or even turn around and help FCL to defend (though I doubt it )

[Frankychan]

That is a pretty damn good idea!

I could actually evolve something like this in my postings!

Holy crap! Give xiaodave a cold drink, cause he's on fire.

[joncha]

1. Let's just say that little item is a point of contention.

2. from a balance point of view, what you're saying makes perfect sense. The problem is, it just doesn't fit the character of (most of) the nations we're roleplaying. Auldoninna's already switched sides once, so it's possible, but the others that might are either too far away or too vulnerable to counter-attacks.

[edit: x-posted answer to xiaodave's questions]

[Frankychan]

True, the other nations would have a harder time because it wouldn't fit their character, FCL is a slightly more...erm....."flexible" in terms of it's reputation

But the Hive and Frankychanland are forever allies! I could probably work on this, but it would be interesting to try and develop a plot twist like that....*scratches chin*

[Urban Ranger]

One last idea would be, with Laz's permission, to turn over RP of Hive to Franky Chan temporarily, until this issue is resolved. Of course, we need to put a limitation on how big a force could Franky use, etc.

[xiaodave]

Originally posted by joncha
1. Let's just say that little item is a point of contention.

2. from a balance point of view, what you're saying makes perfect sense. The problem is, it just doesn't fit the character of (most of) the nations we're roleplaying. Auldoninna's already switched sides once, so it's possible, but the others that might are either too far away or too vulnerable to counter-attacks.

[edit: x-posted answer to xiaodave's questions]

1. Hahaha. I can imagine, having read some of the military size threads. I just figured it might have been solved before the war. Ive been designing games for fun since I was small, if you want I could come up with a way to abstract military size that would take into consideration rp issues such as country size and economic strength as well as game balance, allowing everyone who wants to to take the field in some form.

2. From my perspective, and hence my arguement becomes: Instead of using this discussion to set rules (the turns rule might be something worth adopting whatever the form of the rest of the rp) to continue the struggle as is. Perhaps you could use it to brainstorm a way to have a schizm in the defending side of this fight make sense. It seems to me that it wouldnt take more than three of you to switch to the FCL side / or to form a third side in the struggle to make it all the more fun for everyone involved.

Having just one person on the other side is potentially rp-killingly troublematic. Memorial day weekend is coming up here in america, I dont know where FCL lives but two-three days away from his computer could drag everything to a permanent stop. This is all Im saying, I think you will all have more fun if you find a way to make it 7-4 or 7-3-1 or 4-3-5-2, etc.

[xiaodave]

Wow this thread got me to chieftan.

[Frankychan]

Nice.

[xiaodave]

Alright, long past my bedtime here, but let me leave you all with a suggestion:

FCL, having lost its staunch ally realizes the opposing force set against it will lead to its certain defeat. So, by a combination of subterfuge and black ops it manages to convince 2-3 of the allied nations that theyve been attacked by some/all of the others or vice versa. What you have then is an rp within an rp. You get to rp sudden mistrust between the allies while they try to piece together what really happened. FCL of course takes advantage of the situation for some short term gains.

What this gets you game wise is a chance to rp, a potential explanation for having some countries switch sides and/or kill some time in the hope that the Hive will return and you can get back to the rp you had started.

[Mr. President]

Originally posted by xiaodave

FCL, having lost its staunch ally realizes the opposing force set against it will lead to its certain defeat. So, by a combination of subterfuge and black ops it manages to convince 2-3 of the allied nations that theyve been attacked by some/all of the others or vice versa. What you have then is an rp within an rp. You get to rp sudden mistrust between the allies while they try to piece together what really happened. FCL of course takes advantage of the situation for some short term gains.

Machiavellian!

I hope you hang around!