OOC: FCL/Azan Discussion Thread

[joncha]

The roleplay thread has become cluttered with Out-of-Character discussions, so (as per the suggestion by Lazerus) this new thread is for commentary about gameplay only. The roleplay thread should be used for in character discussion.

The current item being discussed is the plausibility of Auldoninna's sneak attack on FCL and Hive forces in occupied Azan, but feel free to bring up any other debate or discussion here.

[Rasputin]

ok here is the go, I pasted my attack as it would occur. High level stealth bombing runs combined with cruise missile attacks. I didnt post as to how effective they were a si feel that the results of any attack should be posted by the defender.

As for my capacity to run this war, I posted that over half my known military were in azan when i controlled that, i moved them out and half of that force , so a quarter over all were now sitting off the west coast of FCL. from there they conducted missions unimpeded from many aircraft carriers and also you would see that i posted that the refuling jets were on standby from westernapolyton bases. I used these to refule my planes that had flown longer didtances.

Again my attack from the North East of FCL would have been a complete surprise as your whole focus at that pint in time would have been the coalition forces to the south. I waited till the coalition forces posted that they were more active ,thereby distracting you.

as for my western apolyton ally, even if that didnt exist , under the three terrotory rule, i could have claimed the territpry anyway as i only have two so far.

Auldonina forces easily match the numbers of FCL and Hive and with Guardina and others mobilising, the combined numbers are far in excess of hive/fcl numbers and so with so many of th ehives fighters watching for Guardina/basus attacks it is much easier to attack from a difffernet direction.

History shows many times that nations can be caught out by a air attack.

See the Israeli wars for how they attacked egypt , by flying out to sea then sudddenly turning and attacking.

The relaity is, many of my planes were probalby lost in this daring attack, as many of your fighters would have too.
but to appease the pacifiist i only posted very low loss reports.

I am role playing my actions based entirely on how the USA army reacts to attacks and percieved threats. We did not launch attacks on Hive territory but solely on FCL territory and whatever forces we could find there.

[joncha]

I think this account is quite acceptable, and the effects would be devastating to the defender.

As for the plausibility of Auldoninna's actions, I think it is no more (or less) ridiculous than any of their erratic actions thus far.

Also, given that the Hive is a nation of almost 3 Billion that emerged from under the ground as an economic powerhouse with the ability to send an army of 4 million genetically engineered drones overseas, Lazerus' complaints about the attack being unrealistic strike me as being a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

[Rasputin]

i have not commented on any one elses role playing as i feel that with a bit of imagination it may be possible.

it jsut seems strange that the instant sonmething happens that they dotn like it is claimed that it is impossible.

My population may be smaller than hives , but we havent been hiding undeground for years, we have been flying airplanes and learning how to attack well. it is all our nation has been doing for decades , planning this one major strike.

So as far as we couldnt do it, well it would be possible agaisnt a nation tha thas only jsut learnt how to fly again , and with our huge contingent of aircraft in region again it is possible.

to reiterate, i have not psoted as to how succesful the runs were, personaly i suspect given the circumstances approx a success rate of 50% would be valid, but i leave that to the defender to post .

[Lazerus]

Again my attack from the North East of FCL would have been a complete surprise as your whole focus at that pint in time would have been the coalition forces to the south. I waited till the coalition forces posted that they were more active ,thereby distracting you.

thats rubbish, if you remember how long i've had that north eastern waters completely sealed off and threatening anybody who goes near it then you expect there to be alot of scanning going on in that area to prevent me losing cargo that is being shipped across to FCL

Auldonina forces easily match the numbers of FCL and Hive and with Guardina and others mobilising, the combined numbers are far in excess of hive/fcl numbers

are you kidding me ? im twice your size, probably 4 times your military strength and im barely a few miles from home so i'll have close to my entire military capacity on call whereas as you stated you've at best only got half.

4 million genetically engineered drones overseas

that number is absolutely nothing, realistically i could have around 15 times that in my military, and genetically engineering is hardly a made up fairytale, even in this age they can increase rats strength by 50% with simple tweaks.

that emerged from under the ground as an economic powerhouse

If it gripes you that much change it to "sat alone, police state, radios/tv/internet all banned, absolutely no incoming/outgoing signals for citizens"

as for my western apolyton ally, even if that didnt exist , under the three terrotory rule, i could have claimed the territpry anyway as i only have two so far.

care to tell guardinia you've invaded the land next to them then ?

it jsut seems strange that the instant sonmething happens that they dotn like it is claimed that it is impossible.

I've had people killed by snipers, booby traps, i thought ceroo was going to sink that small fleet ahead of his and i wouldnt have been able to do a thing about it. A realistic sized missile strike i wouldnt mind but blitzing half the country which the worlds largest military power is sitting in and preparing for war and saying u lost 6 jets !

And why are the Azani's co-operating with a nation which invaded,strip mined their land, sunk the boats of their citizens trying to escape, branded them terrorists and bombed them and then left them to the Hive ?

[joncha]

In terms of the time scale.... Let's recognise that not everyone can be online all the time, and that events don't happen in real time. So... patience, please. If it takes someone a day or two to respond to events in the game, it's ok.

Right now we're all waiting on an IC response from the Hive, but I think Lazerus should be given plenty of time to formulate his response.

[Lazerus]

with the way its deterioating im not going to post for abit otherwise it will be a simple
"nukes launched, world ends"

and yes as for timescale everybody else that posts does it at 4AM my time, which means its atleast 15-16hrs before i get home and even read them

[Rasputin]

as i said , my loses have to be understated to keep the pacificists at home happy, you think the usa is going to admit to any losses when it begins its aircampaigns no. real life means that you dont admit your losses till the last minute.... as time passes we will have to update the body count due to the boys never going home...

As for gentic enginerring and such lke, we have been cloning our people for ages, but we wont get into that...

if you want to see how blitzkriefs work, see how the germans bombed london during ww2 despite the english knowing they were coming and being well prepared ....

you are jumoing up and down about notihng, again i hav enot posted i have detroyed your army or your infrastructure, but yes i did get thru and i di land bombs and many missiles, very hwrd to stop tomahawk missiles...... the cruise missiles and other camera guided missiles are almsot impossible to shoot down,,

most of my bombers remained at high altitude and flew direct over Azan to get to the FCL sites. your planes were too busy watching the waterways not expecting an attack from all other directions at once..

[ceroomaster]

Originally posted by Lazerus
I thought ceroo was going to sink that small fleet ahead of his and i wouldnt have been able to do a thing about it.

First Minister Cooper's a weak man, afraid to act, not going to start a war. However it was his last day today

[joncha]

Just for reference, here's the map you posted showing the Hive blockade, Laz. Note that Thudoa is now Western Apolyton. It seems quite plausible that forces could launch from the the Southern half of Western Apolyton and avoid the bulk of your fleet. In my maps I've moved some of the Hive navy further south, but I placed most of it off the West coast of Azan, as that's where the bulk of your forces were operating.

[joncha]

And the latest map I made (which, I admit, placed your forces arbitrarily).

[Lazerus]

avoiding the ships does not avoid detection

First Minister Cooper's a weak man, afraid to act, not going to start a war. However it was his last day today

mental note : don't look back

[joncha]

Sorry, I accidently deleted the first attachment... here's a smaller version.

[Frankychan]

Thanks joncha (again ) for taking the initiative.


Right now, I can't take a look at the details of what everyone has said so far, but I'll throw my 2-cents in before I have to go to work....

If any action concerning my forces does not get approved by me, I will ignore that post. I would like discussion about things and don't mind me losing but what I don't like is having stuff done without my consent first. If my cities get bombed without me knowing, I'll ignore that post and it hasn't happened in my mind.

Likewise, if I want to make a move that might effect another person, I will also ask for permission.

But as of right now, the Auldoninan bombings HAVE taken place within FCL territory.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Rasputin
i have not commented on any one elses role playing as i feel that with a bit of imagination it may be possible.

Possible is not the same as plausible.

Originally posted by Rasputin
So as far as we couldnt do it, well it would be possible agaisnt a nation tha thas only jsut learnt how to fly again , and with our huge contingent of aircraft in region again it is possible.

The timing is entirely wrong. It's not possible for you to start moving planes to Western Apolyton before said country came out and declare a formal alliance, before that, any unilateral on your part will be ignored by me. After that, everybody would notice you moving planes into Western Apolyton. When you do that, we will keep an eye on you, given that it is a war situation.