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[GeneralTacticus]

Perhaps you should take a look at this thread for some advice on strengthening your economy without screwing your people over.

In brief: subsidize the auto industry (if you still have on; if not, you have a problem, because this is a superb way of boosting your economy), and put tarrifs up (if you want to allow trade with allies, just say they don't apply to them). If you give it some time, it works like a charm.

Yeah but you'll have welfare,health etc to pay for and most of your people will be softy bank managers raking in all this money for you. Most of my cash just goes into the military

And your point is...? Granted, I have to spend on these things (it's in my constitution, after all), but someone has to provide them, and that means they have to come out of your economy somewhere. Giving all your money to the military just screws everyone else over; it leaves no funds available to invest in further growth, and it leaves the general population impoverished and unhappy, thus forcing you to spend more to suppress them, making them even less happy... and so it goes.

Bottom line: the fact that I have priorities other than the military does not mean you can successfully outspend me just be hurling everything at your military. All you achieve is the destruction of your own society (which is fine, as long as you're prepared to accept it and RP it).

[Rasputin]

We find a blance in life is the basis of good harmony...

I mean after the first 10million in oyur military the rest jsut dont count. so no use spending out whole budget on them.

we make sure all our people are employed therefore welfare is not needed, and with high taxes we make sure we can apply whatever tarrifs we need to and also subsidise whatever we feel.

[Lazerus]

For lack of wellfare and health makes people unhappy. I don't think the love for on (great) leader can change this.

i mean you nervestaple people that takes a lot of effort

It takes more then government control to learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone. It needs happy and devout people. Individuels that have chosen for a higher goal themselfs. Not forced upon them by a brilliant and cunning leader.

Still i admire your supreme power, but don't approve it

Actually the Hive is one of the healthiest in apolyton if you keep an eye out for the next time that pops up, citizens are given regular injections and the nerve staple is administered at this time, add this to forced exercise and military training and everybody is in top notch condition. Citizens who do not receive these injections soon die due to the harsh environment.

As for welfare, every citizen has a job assigned to him/her, if they choose not to take this job then they can make their own way. (ouch i know :evilgrin)

My citizens know nothing of the outside worlds decadence of the flesh, they know only the way of enlightenment that I have shown them (mwhua ... mwhuhaha .... MWHUHAHAHAHA <-- )

it leaves the general population impoverished

my military pays well and food+housing is provided for, not much else is needed.

Bottom line: the fact that I have priorities other than the military does not mean you can successfully outspend me just be hurling everything at your military. All you achieve is the destruction of your own society (which is fine, as long as you're prepared to accept it and RP it).

Sorry, just sounded like your first comment was aimed at saying you easily had alot more weaponary then us 3 put together, which i tried to counter with that won't really be true.
As for collapsing, my society is based around mass production, look at our trade surplus, its not in danger of collapsing any time soon, distant future....maybe useful for storylines.

[Squeblish Nef?]

Meh.
The citizens of Al Mastif are (if they don't live in Khaftan, or aren't poor, or don't have criminal records, or aren't from certain 'subhuman' nations, or aren't old, or aren't disabled, or aren't internationally relatively poor...) generally quite healthy, wealthy and happy.

Unfortunately, the above conditions exclude the majority of the population...

[Mr. President]

http://www.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Karakas

Gross Domestic Product: $39,493,022,398,033.36

GDP Per Capita: $13,770.23

Karakas also has a massive trade deficit!

[GeneralTacticus]

Originally posted by Lazerus


Actually the Hive is one of the healthiest in apolyton if you keep an eye out for the next time that pops up, citizens are given regular injections and the nerve staple is administered at this time, add this to forced exercise and military training and everybody is in top notch condition. Citizens who do not receive these injections soon die due to the harsh environment.

As for welfare, every citizen has a job assigned to him/her, if they choose not to take this job then they can make their own way. (ouch i know :evilgrin)

And you know what that means? It means you are quite obviously not spending everything you have on your military, since that would result in your people being starving and sick, which they clearly are not.

Sorry, just sounded like your first comment was aimed at saying you easily had alot more weaponary then us 3 put together, which i tried to counter with that won't really be true.

No, it isn't true, but it isn't far from it, either. I have, as I said, about as much money as the three of you together, and I can spend much less, proprtionately, on my population than, say, FCL, or even Auldonina (to a lesser extent), because I have much more per person.

As for collapsing, my society is based around mass production, look at our trade surplus, its not in danger of collapsing any time soon, distant future....maybe useful for storylines.

Well, since you quite obviously aren't doing the things I said would cause social collapse (spending everything on the miltiary and englecting your society), your nation isn't in any particular danger of collapse.

[Lazerus]

And you know what that means? It means you are quite obviously not spending everything you have on your military, since that would result in your people being starving and sick, which they clearly are not.

I've always said most, not all.
<-- Cares for his workers, and a long life brings further experience and hence better workers.

No, it isn't true, but it isn't far from it, either. I have, as I said, about as much money as the three of you together, and I can spend much less, proprtionately, on my population than, say, FCL, or even Auldonina (to a lesser extent), because I have much more per person.

Capitalist countries only spend around 2-9% on military don't they ? will have to look for some sources, whereas i know north korea spends around 35% on theirs since theyve got no infrastructure to pay for. (yes i know people are starving, but theyre too brainwashed and fightened to say anything, even if they do theyre shot and nobody knows ... must be like drowning)

[DarkCloud]

That's great

my economy is one of the best!
(it's in the top 5! whee!)


1 igua = ...
... $1.7242
... 1.2794 1337 Randomness d8s
... 1.1076 ACE Organisation Shares
... 337.7436 Admaria federal notes
... 1.1932 Al Mastif camels
... 1.0205 Alecrast Ens
... 0.9693 Alien Races mosaicas
... 2.3829 Athan tucks
... 7.3538 Atlan freestates Willows
... 1.1558 Auldoninna bananas
... 1.0856 Azure Dianoga Crescents
... 1.6364 Banellia Banelians
... 4.8154 Basus basiss
... 4.8399 Beksme hooplahs
... 7.2736 Berit kinas
... 21.2675 Bokuta pogos
... 0.8961 Capitalstan capitalstani dollars
... 0.9917 Centralis credits
... 1.6903 Ceroo Ceroos
... 0.9646 Cosmovania blood of the peonss
... 1.3361 Dakmoristan Dakmoristan crowns
... 1.6281 Draconious claws
... 5.1570 DtFranit datas
... 0.9300 Dunlendor jamesmarcs
... 4.6861 East Yorkshire eukaleles
... 1.6153 Emerald Cove rocks
... 0.8702 Etatsnoitan moneys
... 0.9184 Eurocorp credits
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... 2.4931 Fanaan Gold Coins
... 11.5103 Fanchiland credits
... 3.8154 Finchton rochs
... 35.0682 Flinxland Flinxland Credits
... 2.2308 Flinxtopia Canadian Tire Dollars
... 2.1699 Former Azan FCL left big toes
... 5.4698 Frankychanland left big toes
... 5.0254 Grant Park ningis
... 3.4974 Great Kalador Septims
... 374.4200 Grimlore novels
... 0.9717 Grumatopia gold grumpods
... 12.4538 Guardinia guardians
... 9.1986 H0bbes hobs
... 1.2231 High Heavens energy credits
... 1.1570 Hive Nerve staple guns
... 368.8048 Jonchastan Canadian Tire Dollars
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... 1.4049 Kolabar Limas
... §4.5144 (Kroekland)
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... 8.0354 Kyralia Kyralian sovereigns
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... 1.1586 Limeville citruss
... 4.1523 Marxist Chimerica chimers
... 1.2369 Matevia dollars
... 9.2038 Methamphetamine points
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... 4.2759 NCC Pavesia qwertys
... 3.5805 Neon Canada Dollars
... 37.0631 Njegos dinars
... 383.7958 Noosland stars
... 1.3709 North Spire Gold Coins
... 12.2788 North Texas Dollars
... 378.8996 Pan Land Dollars
... 110.0255 Redfern redferns
... 1.3417 Renewed Ikixe time credits
... 4.4048 Reverman revermans
... 1.2369 San Antonio Bay euros
... 18.3968 Savalandia dollars
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... 3.4097 Smith Valley smithbucks
... 377.3489 Spiffor clings
... 4.5063 Ss62 dollars
... 1.0027 Stormseekers holos
... 4.5320 Takoyaki Yens
... 1.5700 Thailos Bullions
... 1.3468 The Arch-Capitalist megabucks
... 0.9499 The Sacred Baster triganic pus
... 1.2825 The shiz Allied Dollars
... 0.9065 The SouthEast Bottle Caps
... 4.8075 The United Good ningis
... 8.8765 Twilemen twils
... 1.1721 Upper Arandia credits
... 3.8127 Veldenar Florins
... 1.1739 Wal - Mart food stamps
... 57.9390 Westgale dins
... 367.3199 Wishet Gold Coins
... 9.1250 Zinzibar ruths
... 1.5138 Zomba-Khan corpses
... 4.9924 ZP-Land euros

[Rasputin]

once you get to the 60+ million troops everything else goes on building more businesses , well it does in auldonina anyway !!!

[GeneralTacticus]

Originally posted by Lazerus


I've always said most, not all.
<-- Cares for his workers, and a long life brings further experience and hence better workers.

Capitalist countries only spend around 2-9% on military don't they ? will have to look for some sources, whereas i know north korea spends around 35% on theirs since theyve got no infrastructure to pay for. (yes i know people are starving, but theyre too brainwashed and fightened to say anything, even if they do theyre shot and nobody knows ... must be like drowning)

Well, you're clearly not spending 'most' of what you have on the military, either... a lot of resources have to stay in circulation jsut to keep the economy running, remember, which is North Korea's problem - too much of what little they have is being poured into the garbage bin. The limitations that prevent capialist nations from spending more than ~10% of their GDP on the military don't go away just because you have a state-run economy.

[ceroomaster]

Originally posted by Lazerus
The Apolytonian Republic of Ceroo Delegate Democratic Socialists 2,822,000,000 Strong $9,159.20 per capita
Gross Domestic Product: $25,847,252,874,975.69
ouch

That's pathetic. (Economy's taken a dive recently because Ceroo's current government is passing all these touchy-feely issues)

[Guardian]

Guardinia's economy is improving... our GDP is nearly doubled in just 5 days!

-Which I do believe is quite sufficient to prove my point that you can't take these figures too seriously.

That said, I do accept that Guardinia's economy is below average and that we can't afford to maintain our current level of military readyness for very long...

[Lazerus]

So you've went from really low to low

[Rasputin]

make more , export more. !! that our motto

[Sava]

cool

I'll post mine if the pages ever load...