Exhuming a Discussion on Military Numbers and Roleplay

[Lazerus]

You a most benevolent chairman Lazarus name China as a supreme power but is it not so that China is opening her border for capitalist influences. Has China not recently recognised private property. The seeds for a capatalist system are their. China will grow in power that is true. A superpower yes but a Hivian dictatorship or goverment structure is just to unlikely.

Hive - Corporate police state.
China is opening to capitalism yes but i still don't see any real political freedoms or many civil rights, do you? and i highly doubt there will be that many more in the future to come.

As for stable nations centered around one person Rome,mayans,England(monarchy before parliament). It all depends on the leader, good ones thrive the nation more then any senate, bad ones i agree will set the country back rather abit.
Personally i see parliaments as a small gain/small loss option while giving all power to a single person turns that into extremes.



and about supreme, until the discovery of weapons able to knock out a nuclear missile in midflight theres no such thing as supreme

[Basus]

China is opening up. And yes i belief in a open China mabey not as open as the western world is but more open as China is now. Political freedoms will increase and civil rights will continue to raise an issue and will probebly improve as well. To attract foreign investors you have to invest in civil rights.

Not one of the nations you mention had one single leader at the zenith of their power. Rome for example allmost always had a emperor and a praetor. To persons both with the same amount of power. Besides the Senate has always played a (small) part. Also the free citizens of rome had more power then thought before. A emperor ruled only with their consent.

England is the perfect example of a nation that flourished with a parlement. Not untill the parlement took over Brittain achieved world power. Brittain is the school example of the power of parlement.

Mayan culture is just like egyptian culture more complex. All ancient civillications are. In mayan culture we have an large aristocracy and a large religious cast. Not one central power.

The only example is the chinese empire but the emperor ruled with a mandate of the sungod. If china was hit by famine or a other disaster then the emperor was overthrown.

I think the people are to wel educated to continue to believe in one single power.
Besides when a supreme power rises a civilisation almost alway is destroyed or crushed when this one leader dies. Almost never a stable empire is achieved.

[Lazerus]

Rome for example allmost always had a emperor and a preator ; A emperor ruled only with their consent.

The preator if i remember right was only the commander of a legion, therefore there were several and they never had any power on par with the emperor. Before the senate which turned Rome into a republic the emperor was viewed as next to godhood, the empire began to thrive at this time.

Mayan culture is just like egyptian culture more complex. All ancient civillications are. In mayan culture we have an large aristocracy and a large religious cast. Not one central power

Nobody could over-rule the kings decision, high priests were powerful and had influence i agree though.

I think the people are to wel educated to continue to believe in one single power.

the average person in my empire is among the thickest around, only those of zealot quality selected to become scientists for continuing the cloning research, military development etc get anything more then basic teaching.

Besides when a supreme power rises a civilisation almost alway is destroyed or crushed when this one leader dies. Almost never a stable empire is achieved.

I'll just have to make sure I don't die then

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Lazerus
The preator if i remember right was only the commander of a legion, therefore there were several and they never had any power on par with the emperor. Before the senate which turned Rome into a republic the emperor was viewed as next to godhood, the empire began to thrive at this time.

IIRC, Rome started as a republic. It was Julius Caesar who tried to become an emperor, as a result he was killed.

[Basus]

A praetor was the highst official in ancient roman times he was the main creator of legislation. In the early roman days the empire was always ruled by to consuls. Indeed after Julius ceasar was killed the titel emperor was purly symbolic. Emperor was replaced be "Ceasare" a honourary title. Although may ceseares reached the same power as an emperor supreme power was only achieved in a few cases. Besides the power of legislation was in the hands of Lawprofessionals. As you see rome is a difficult example for your theory.

But you are right to some extend as long as you live your empire shall remain powerfull. But no one is immortal dispite longvacity.

[Squeblish Nef?]

OOC: For the love of God! It's PRAETOR! P-R-A-E-T-O-R!

[Basus]

You're quite right , but that's what you get when you speak a germanic language. Allways put the e in front of the a Besides latin is not my strongest point. " Ius praetorium" thats the thing i was refuring to.

[Squeblish Nef?]

Yes, Raspie, the PBMC is on this thread.

[Urban Ranger]

This thing is weird

[Mr. President]

Even if you divide your population by a hundred, you can probably afford "Excellent"s in every category.

[Urban Ranger]

No magic or psionic, though

[Rasputin]

i bleeive this particular one is crap @!!!! we can do better making our own, wil take some work but wil lbe far more relaisitic ...

[Urban Ranger]

Good man

[Az]

It's a nice effort.

But it seems that:

a) We don't need magic in our game.
b) Not all figures should depend on population size of the army.
c) I propose an alternative method: a number of points calculated upon your nation's stats, and then, a "shop" where you can "buy" military units, for your points, with some prices being modified by the nation's stats, as well.

[Rasputin]

not such a bad idea