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  • Ggs project overview

    Many people have been wondering what this thing is all about. And I admit, it has been a bit dificult to find some general information about it. But this is changing right now!


    So what is this?

    GGS, or Guns, Germs & Steel: Tools of Conquest, which is our full title, is an ambitious project, trying to develop a civ like game, which will be anything but a clone.

    We are trying to take civ gaming to a new level, by adding many new features.

    A great place to find information about the project is the official GGS Website.

    The project started back in March at the Civ3 General / Suggestions forum right here at Apolyton. The project is completely open source, and will remain free. It is run via the internet, and our team is made up of people from all around the world. The main design discussion takes place right here at our forum at Apolyton. This means that if you have any suggestions that you would like us to hear about, just post them! We will listen to everybody that has suggestions.

    If you are interested in Civ gaming, and would like to participate in the development of one, then you are more than welcome to join the project. Anybody is welcome, designers, programmers and artists. All you have to do to join as a designer is post suggestions or comments here at Apolyton. As a programmer or an artist you should propably mail our lead programmer Amjayee at amjayee@kolumbus.fi for further details. We are coding the project in C++. The fact that we are still a young project means, that much needs to be done, but it also means that anyone joining now can have a huge impact on the actual game. Generally the more work you do the more impact you will have. But there are no rules here. Anybody is welcome, at their terms. So if you just want to post a few suggestions, then you are welcome to do so, and if you want to spend more time on the project then that is even better!

    In the actual game we are focusing on more historical realism than Civ2, and we are trying to reduce micromanagement, by taking a lot of the ressource management from the hands of the player to an economy algorithm. We will also add a lot of new features not ever seen in Civ2, like diseases, domestic politics and much more. For more information on any of these, check the appropriate thread. This will also be where you should post any suggestions you might have. If you have any futher general questions about the project, then you are welcome to post them in this thread.

    The Joker
    [This message has been edited by The Joker (edited November 07, 2000).]
    "It is not enough to be alive. Sunshine, freedom and a little flower you have got to have."
    - Hans Christian Andersen

    GGS Website

  • #2
    please say it is in windows or will have a windows version, unlike freeciv

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    • #3
      Yes, it will be in Windows and use DirectX.

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      • #4
        THANK YOU!!!
        And God said "let there be light." And there was dark. And God said "Damn, I hate it when that happens." - Admiral

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        • #5
          I take it that this is a Jared Diamond influence.
          “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
          "Capitalism ho!"

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          • #6
            No we just came up with the name on our own..........



            No, you're right!

            BTW we should really mail the man, and tell him that we're using his title for our game! Any ideas on how to reach him, people?

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            "In America, first we take the sugar, then we take the power, then we take the women."
            - Homer J. Simpson

            GGS Website
            "It is not enough to be alive. Sunshine, freedom and a little flower you have got to have."
            - Hans Christian Andersen

            GGS Website

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            • #7
              I dunno, but he must have an email address. If it can't be found on Internet (Has anyone tried yet? Like from Amazon or from publisher's page?), we could contact the publisher of the book.

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              • #8
                I will start looking around for it.

                I think we all should do that.

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                "In America, first we take the sugar, then we take the power, then we take the women."
                - Homer J. Simpson

                GGS Website
                "It is not enough to be alive. Sunshine, freedom and a little flower you have got to have."
                - Hans Christian Andersen

                GGS Website

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                • #9
                  I guess in the book there might be some contact information. Has anyone got it right now, or can anyone get it from library or something?

                  I checked our library online services. The public library of our town doesn't have GGS, but my University library has! I guess I should try and get it and read it...

                  BTW, what are your library systems like? Here I can search the book databases, make reservations, repeat my loans, etc. online. It is very well working system indeed!
                  [This message has been edited by amjayee (edited November 19, 2000).]

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                  • #10
                    I found a book report of a reader from an American university. It's pretty well worth reading. (althought I haven't read all of it.)
                    It's at http://econ161.berkeley.edu/Econ_Art...mond_guns.html.

                    There is an interview with Jared Diamond (the author, as we all know) about winning the pulitzer price with his book GGS.
                    It's on http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/enter...mond_4-17.html .

                    The book cover:
                    [img=http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0393038912.01.LZZZZZZZ.gif]

                    More later...
                    [This message has been edited by ElmoTheElk (edited November 22, 2000).]

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                    • #11
                      I tryed searching amazon and other places for an email adress at which Mr. Diamond could be reached. Unfortunately I didn't find any.

                      Of cause, I have the book, so I can just look at it!

                      Is there any of you native english/americans/australians that would write the letter, just to make it look professional and without the typos that the rest of us would make?

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                      "In America, first we take the sugar, then we take the power, then we take the women."
                      - Homer J. Simpson

                      GGS Website
                      "It is not enough to be alive. Sunshine, freedom and a little flower you have got to have."
                      - Hans Christian Andersen

                      GGS Website

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                      • #12
                        If he still teaches at his medical school (I forget which one), you may be able to find him through their directory.
                        “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                        "Capitalism ho!"

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                        • #13
                          Thanks! I guess we will try that, then!

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                          "In America, first we take the sugar, then we take the power, then we take the women."
                          - Homer J. Simpson

                          GGS Website
                          "It is not enough to be alive. Sunshine, freedom and a little flower you have got to have."
                          - Hans Christian Andersen

                          GGS Website

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                          • #14
                            I just noticed this forum. Since I am on my 4th re-read of the book (and a dedicated Civ2 player), I am quite interested in your project. I'm not a programmer, but I will be glad to participate in planning or testing. I think the idea of a Civ-style game incorporating the ideas presented in the book is excellent!

                            Jared Diamond is a professor of physiology at the UCLA School of Medicine. Authors can also always be reached through their publisher (W. W. Norton, is this case). I would be pleased to write a letter for you concerning the project and use of the book title if you give me a list of specific subjects and desired outcomes to write to him about.
                            Civ2 Demo Game #1 City-Planner, President, Historian
                            Civ2 Demo Game #2 Minister of War,President, Minister of Trade, Vice President, City-Planner
                            Civ2 Demo Game #3 President, Minister of War, President
                            Civ2 Demo Game #4 Despot, City-Planner, Consul

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                            • #15
                              Elmo pretty much said it all.

                              Great to see you. And welcome to our project.

                              It does not matter that you are not a programmer. You can still be of help.

                              Right now us designers are mostly discussing the economy and population models, plus some overall gaming issues (like how to do unit movement). And the programmers are currently occupied in constructing a user interface for the game.

                              The reason we are focusing on these issues are, that it is pretty nice to have them more or less settled, and have a working population and economy system, before moving on to more advanced tasks.

                              In what areas are you interested in helping out? Just pick a subject and post your ideas or comments in the appropriate thread, or make a new one!

                              And thanks a lot for volunteering to write the letter to Mr. Diamond. It should propably include something like:

                              - we are creating a computer game. Our inspiration is mainly Civilization and Civ2, but we are trying to change the genre, by implementing more features, and making it all more realistic.

                              - we are fans of his book (at least I am), and are using it for inspiration on how to create the game.

                              - Our project is being run over the internet by a group of entusiasts from all over the globe.

                              - We are currently early in the development process, and we don't have a working game yet. But we are getting there!

                              - Our project is open source, meaning that everybody interested can contribute to it, and the game will remain completely free for everybody.

                              anything else? As a "native" english speaker you could propably make a better letter than most of us europeans. So if you want you could write the letter, and post it here before mailing it to him (just to make sure everything is accurate).

                              Welcome on board!

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                              "It ain't broke, so BREAK it."
                              - Raingoon

                              GGS Website
                              "It is not enough to be alive. Sunshine, freedom and a little flower you have got to have."
                              - Hans Christian Andersen

                              GGS Website

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