CtP2 Civilizations

[samurai]

MagyarCrusader

If you could choose.What would be the name of the great leader of Hungary?

[Atahualpa]

argl

[Atahualpa]

I really cant understand people caring about what non-historically important civs are included! Care about your own stuff!

You are so stupid & arrogant when you say: No! I dont want to play against/with Cubans! They havent deserved it!

ITs really the most unimportant thing against who I play because no civ has special bonuses or traits or something like that! In AOE2 it matters what Civ I play and what civs I play against! In Smac it matters too! But in CtP it doesnt!

Thats like whining: "Mom! Barry has a green ball! I dont want to throw my red ball next to his green one!"

Grow up!

ATa

[samurai]

Ata

If you play with a lot of Islands, don`t you
rather play Indonesia,Cuba,England,Australia,Trinidad Tobago, and that kind of civs just trying to live yourself into the game?

[MagyarCrusader]

Is it safe to assume that this point that nobody really knows (or cares) what civilizations are included? Isn't there a preview site somewhere I can find information? I really don't like being called names and cursed at because I'm trying to find out some information. I stated a reason that had a big impact on me not liking Ctp, and it matters to me because of my $$$$. I have to pick and choose which games are worthwile.

Stratesford
By your logic, we should include the Chechens because they stood up to Russia. Or how about the Palestinians because they stand up to Israel? Sure they don't have a country but oh well! I'm just saying I want civilizations with great historical contributions. Aztecs, Incas or Mayans would be good choices for South America because they built up great cultural empires. Cuba and Nircaragua have not, so it ruins the whole historic atmosphere for me. And this matter sbecause I enjoy history, therefore want it to be at least somewhat historical. If not, the game will not interest me and therefore I shall save my money for something else.

TheBirdMan
This isn't a useless thread. I didn't want a flame war or anything. This thread is about what civilizations are going to be in CtP. I'm sorry people took a minor point I made, blew it out of proportion and changed the topic of the thread. And what is AH?

Locutus
I never downloaded the patches. I played about half of one game and that was enough for me.

samurai
I couldn't choose just 1 leader for Hungary. It'd choose between Attila, Arpad, Stephen, Kossuth, Corvinus, or Horthy. If you are trying to bring up the point that I want Hungary in the game, drop it. I love the country and all but according to most historians it isn't consider a great historical civilization that would rank among the Romans, Egyptians Greeks and Chinese.

Atahualpa
Look man, whatever. I'm not here to bash people's countries, I just wanted some information. Frankly, my feelings towards Cuba and Nircaragua are neutral, its just I don't consider them important historical civilizations. You should probably take your own advice and grow up. You come to these forms with a hostile attitude and start typing insults over the internet, and my opinion actually angers you. It mattered to me in AOE2 what civs I played as or against, and I see no difference for CtP2. If you still want to get bent out of shape because of a minor point I made you should probably ignore my posts, as I will not respond to yours anymore because they contain irrelevant information.

Please, someone respond to this thread if they see any information regarding civilizations. Thank you.

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"There is no more illustrious history than the history of the Magyar Nation... The whole civilized world is indebted to Magyarland for its historic deeds."
-Theodore Roosevelt, to the Hungarian Parliament,
April 2, 1910

[Atahualpa]

quote: If you play with a lot of Islands, don`t you rather play Indonesia,Cuba,England,Australia,Trinidad Tobago, and that kind of civs just trying to live yourself into the game?

No! Every game I start may be the earth in another parallel universe (not that I would believe this but its better to explain using this model). I dont want a 1:1 copy of THIS world! I like this world to be a model! And the game lets me simulate human evolution in this model! Where the outcome is always different!

quote: I'm sorry people took a minor point I made, blew it out of proportion and changed the topic of the thread

To me its not a minor point!

quote: I never downloaded the patches. I played about half of one game and that was enough for me.

So you didnt play the game but say all the time that it nerves you playing against Cubans when you have played only ONE game?
Isnt that a bit hypocrite?

quote: I'm not here to bash people's countries, I just wanted some information. Frankly, my feelings towards Cuba and Nircaragua are neutral, its just I don't consider them important historical civilizations.

So what? Where is written that only historical important civilizations can enter the universe of Civilization?

quote: You come to these forms with a hostile attitude and start typing insults over the internet, and my opinion actually angers you.

Yeah right it does! Cause its arrogant to say that other civs dont deserve to be in a game because they havent had much importance! Importance does vary from person to person! I like playing Cubans for example!

quote: It mattered to me in AOE2 what civs I played as or against, and I see no difference for CtP2.

Okay here is the difference: In AOE2 every "civ" has a unique tech tree and an own unique unit (or 2 in case of the vikings). Besides every "civ" has some special bonuses.
In CtP2 the name of the "civ" is a wrapper around the AI not more. In CtP1 personalties were fixed for civs so you could throw all slaver civs in one pot cause they acted the same. You could switch the AIs starting places and play the game again by doing the same actions and the outcome would be the same, however with AI's having changed starting places! (theoretically of course). In CtP2 it is different as Personalties are random, so in one game Americans are slavers and in another Americans are researchers!
Thats why it doesnt matter against which civs you play!

Besides why do you want to deny Cuban Players to play their own country? (okay maybe because they dont get to play the game because of the embargo, but fit in other countries and tell me again).
I live in Austria and in no Civ game now I have been able to play my own country, regardless if it is historically important or not I want to do that!

quote: If you still want to get bent out of shape because of a minor point I made you should probably ignore my posts, as I will not respond to yours anymore because they contain irrelevant information

Sorry that is one thing I cant do! Besides I gave you pretty much information here on why it doesnt matter! And again: Its not a minor point to me!
If Cubans are out there are only the Irish left to play for me! And the French.

ATa

[Grand Master Fe Long]

you could try to make your own fictional civ. i made over 20 and used them instead of the real ones for CTP. i made 3 of my own scenarios using them which were really cool. I would have posted them on the web but i never got any feedback from my previous stuff so i didn't bother puting any more stuff up any more. Well i guess if you don't like whats included why dont you just edit it yourself to what you personaly like! in ctp i made extra civs like Vietnam, Denmark, Pakistan, Bosnia, Serbia etc as well as the fictional ones! im sure it will be as easy to do in ctp2 as well.

[samurai]

Why don`t we arrange something so Ata and MagyarCrusader can come together and play an MP
game with each other.And maybe they can tolerate
each other.
Why can`t we all just be a big bunch of civ friends?

[KaiserIsak]

The reason why these civs are included is for people from their countries to play them, and feel that their country is a supreme country, after all. They should´nt be removed, activision should just add the ability to choice which civs u want to play against.

Or better, make it possible to pl

[Solver]

In CTP I sometimes missed feature from Civ: Cusiom Civilization, where you enter the name.

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[Solver]

I also forgot to mention this: in Civ I, I haven't had the ability to play for my country, I only gained it in CTP and I want it to remain in CTP2. Basically, the easiest way is to create a civ for each country in the World (about 200) and some more for people without a country (like Palestinians). Then noone would said "I can't play for my country". Basically, I choose either
1. Civ of my country (usually)
2. Or the civ, history of which is interesting for me (e.g. Egyptians, as I know Ancient Egyptian histroy good).
I don't care who my enemies are, as this doens't change their personality.
And I don't understand this: why are the Aztecs removed in CTP? Now there are only Mexicans, while in the original Civ there were Aztecs.
So, I have my country in there and I don't have to worry about that.

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[Atahualpa]

quote: I don't care who my enemies are, as this doens't change their personality.

See this is exactly my point! But for MagyarCrusader it does matter. However he hasnt explained why!

Ata

[Bali]

For the sake of historical semblance still civilizations should have at least 2 names - ancient and modern. E.g. Azteks at one stage become Mexicans with picture in diplomacy screen changing too, or Romans become Italians etc.

I still care also for the name of the adversary which should more or less fit historical period.

[Joseph]

MagyarCrusader

A little history lesson for all of us. If I make a mistake, please correct it. The people of Cuba and Nicaragua have been around for thousands of years. European man did not find them until Columbus sail here (1492), plus the others, who follow him. America is not a great Civ. Yes I believe we are a great country, but not a great Civ. All of us, that lives here have ancestry to Europe, Asia, Africa, North, Central and South America. The only real American, are the Indians of North, Central and South America. Granted, the people that lives in Cuba and Nicaragua today, are a mix of, Spainish, African, and Indian. The only real Civs from yesterday that are still around today, is the Chinese, Japanese, maybe India and I almost forgot Mongolia. Europe as we know, had everone making a run through it, and so most of the today Europens, have a little of everthing mix in. One of the great Civs of yesterday was the Celts. They move from Northen Germany to lower England, then to Wales, and then to Ireland. I read that Russia and Scotland was started by the Viking. I guess that the Viking are still here today, only in the form of Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland. The Greeces are still here. Someone mention the Palestinian. They have been around for a few thousand years also. I just look them up on the Internet. It looks like they are related to the Philistine. Remmber the Arabs of today are not the people that live in the area (middle east), thousands of years ago. They overran the area when Muhammad was their leader.
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[Stratesford]

Hey, you forgot the mayans they been around for 3,000 years. They also built the biggest stone monument in the world and the 2nd biggest pyramid (1st goes to the Teotihucans). To me the mayans are still idependent from mexico and guatemala, even if these governments don't accept it. They dare call a fight for indipendence a guerrilla.

I also think that they should put the aztecs instead of the mexicans. Cuz' Mexico is a country not a civ. I think they should put the real name of the aztecs wich is "Aztecatl", and maybe they should do that for every civ as well.