CtP2 Civilizations

[MagyarCrusader]

Is there any official list as to what civilizations will be included in the game? If not, is there any speculation running about as to what civilizations will probably be covered? I really hated CtP1 with a passion, and probably the thing that pissed me off most was having to fight civilizations such as the Nircaraguans or Cubans, a people who have done nothing for the world besides exporting narcotics. Lets have some civilizations that reflect historical contributions to the world, not programmers' ethnicities.

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"There is no more illustrious history than the history of the Magyar Nation... The whole civilized world is indebted to Magyarland for its historic deeds."
-Theodore Roosevelt, to the Hungarian Parliament,
April 2, 1910

[Bartemans]

Magyarcrusader,

Isn't exporting drugs a proper reason to wipe that civ of the Earth?

Take advantage of!!!

Bartemans
http://home.hccnet.nl/stolte.1

[Atahualpa]

MagyarCrusader: So you think not all civs deserve to be crushed/played with?

If you crush Americans or Cubans where is the difference? All civs are the same except for their name! And the photo!

If you would have requested some civs to be included okay. I can understand that. But to request some civs to take out is not okay IMO.

It absolutely DOESNT matter with what names the AI is equipped. Cause the American AI is the same as the Cuban AI. Only the name is different! edit: To correct any misunderstandings (if they come up). Civ Names do matter (for you to choose) but it doesnt matter what names the civ have that I am playing against. For me Cubans are like Nicaraguans/British/French/... . I start diplomatic negotiations with them and see who they react and then maybe they become allies or enemies (or I dont care about them). Okay I am always happy when there are Americans playing against me (to wipe them off the face of the earth ). But never would I dare to think a civ wouldnt deserve it to be in!

ATa

edit: Since MagyarC. appears to be AH, a person I have sympathies for, I have removed the worst insults. Nevertheless I stick with my point.
[This message has been edited by Atahualpa (edited October 12, 2000).]

[TheBirdMan]

Ata: You are insulting AH. Taking his trademark from him and giving it to someone else. Shame on you.

About choosing a civ: I normally choose a civ, which has more than just a couple of hundred years on the back. I fell it's odd, starting year 4000BC with a civ, just "invented" in 1920 or so. I like to choose and old civ or a race, which "covers" several nations during time.



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[Tilemacho]

Ohhh, look at that history expert....

[MarkG]

please keep any attacks outside this thread if you want to see it continuing to exist...

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[Adm.Naismith]

I already suggested it in a CIV 3 thread, hope it can be interesting here too:

I like historically accuracy, so I understand the feeling of TheBirdMan

quote: About choosing a civ: I normally choose a civ, which has more than just a couple of hundred years on the back. I fell it's odd, starting year 4000BC with a civ, just "invented" in 1920 or so. I like to choose and old civ or a race, which "covers" several nations during time.

Well, why don't start game with the few early Civ, then let the player to change it "on the fly" when some main event occurs?
A few example:
- The Roman Republic conquer the last city of the German: a pop up appear to suggest the wise leader to change the civilization name (suggesting one, overwritable by player) into the like of Roman germanic Empire, or keep the old.
- The Great English Empire fall over a rebellion that split it in two: let the player chose the name of the part remaining under control (may be you can chose to stay with the old Civ or join the separationists).

So we can start Roman (realistically, in old age) then become Venice Republic, then Italian. Chose any other starting point and old age civilization, you can become any Great or little nation you like, also nation usually not included in CTP / Civ list. Can be a win-win solution?

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Admiral Naismith AKA mcostant

[Blade Runner]

MagyarCrusader,

I know you want to get more attention for the Hungarians, but IMHO the best way to do it is to tell how Hungarian culture, science and other things have changed the world we live in. If you simply try to kick other countries out of the game, you will get this kind of justified response from the readers of this site. I am sure Ata, who is our neighbour, an Austrian, will fight for our legtimate request to get the Hungarian civ in the game. So I would like to ask you as a fellow Hungarian not to attack other nations and civilizations please.

Blade

[Locutus]

I doubt that MagyarCrusader is AH, he probably has more than 143 posts (unless of course he had a *huge* post count reduction, it's one of his DL's or, to quote the man himself, "the f*ck up fairy visited" him as well ).

Anyway, I think the civs in CtPII will be the same as those in CtPI, but if you don't like that, change it! I mean it only involves editing one or two text-files and you can have/leave out all the civs you want! Custom civs for everyone

[MagyarCrusader]

Uh... I must have missed something...

First off, I just wanted to know what tribes are included. CtP didn't allow you to pick your opponents, so I felt it very unrealisitc and historically innacurate to find the Cubans the strongest empire in the world. I liked civ2 because I could relate it to history. CtP just messed it up. Isn't the theme of "Civilization" supposed to include the greatest civilizations of history? Serious, besides nationalists, hardly anyone would consider Cuba or Nircaragua as one of the greatest countries ever.

Bartemans
haha. It would be funny and prehaps fun just one game, but after that, pathetic.

Atahualpa
To me, crushing america makes a big difference than crushing Cuba. Besides the missile crisis, Cuba has no major role in history. Meanwhile, america has fought in, and won some of the largest wars the world has ever seen. America has practically dominated the world since 1945. Because of this, I'd consider them a great civilization that history 500 years from now will remember and study, therefore a worthy advisary. Other than that, your post confused me.

Adm.Naismith
I like your idea. We should be able to rename our civilization as the game progresses.

Blade Runner
I'd be happy if Hungary was in the game, but I wouldn't expect it, demand it, or be disapointed if it wasn't. My signature is just a matter of national pride, it really has nothing to do with this thread.

Locutus
I'm not really an expert at programing here, I just want a game I can enjoy. If this version of CtP allows me to choose my oponents, then I don't care if Cuba is in there or not. Once again, I just wanted to know what civilizations are included.

Anyway, I really doubt that I'll buy this game in the first place, since CtP was as terrible as it was. I'm just interested in what civilizations there are.

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"There is no more illustrious history than the history of the Magyar Nation... The whole civilized world is indebted to Magyarland for its historic deeds."
-Theodore Roosevelt, to the Hungarian Parliament,
April 2, 1910
[This message has been edited by MagyarCrusader (edited October 12, 2000).]

[Nikolai]

quote: Originally posted by Adm.Naismith on 10-12-2000 10:29 AM I already suggested it in a CIV 3 thread, hope it can be interesting here too: So we can start Roman (realistically, in old age) then become Venice Republic, then Italian. Chose any other starting point and old age civilization, you can become any Great or little nation you like, also nation usually not included in CTP / Civ list. Can be a win-win solution?

I really like this man!!! (and of course his suggestion :-D


[This message has been edited by Nikolai (edited October 12, 2000).]

[Atahualpa]

MagyarCrusader is Alexander's Horse???
Oh my god!

I really really hate that name change feature!
Sorry AH!
Nevertheless I still stick to my point: All civs deserve to appear in a civ game!

Nevertheless, if you want Hungarian in I am all for it! If it would be somehow doable, include ALL civs ever existed!

aTa

[Stratesford]

The cubans are important man, they are the only country in the western hemesphere that dosen't fallow the u.s. I consider that if they can oppose a super power then they must be very F@#$*& rad!!

[TheBirdMan]

Ata: Sorry to confuse you (though it's better to confuse than to be confused)

What I meant was, that NORMALLY "The Most Useless Treads" are created by AH. And now you would give that honor to MagyarCrusader.

That would be unfair to AH.

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[Locutus]

quote: Originally posted by MagyarCrusader on 10-12-2000 05:38 PM CtP didn't allow you to pick your opponents, [...]

Now that's not true, if you start a Hotseat game (with only one human player) you can choose your opponents (you need patch 1.2 for Hotseat). Granted, the UI isn't exaclty perfect, but it works. I presume CtPII will have Hotseat as well, so I think it will work there too.