*WONDER* why this is.

[red_jon]

Oh dear. Looking at CTP" it seems they did about 5 minutes of historical research

Here are the number of wonders each civ has (not counting futurisitc wonders)

British/English= 3
Italian/Roman = 2
Greek = 1
Aztec = 1
Chinese = 2
German/Prussian= 1
Turkish = 1
Egyptian = 1
and
American = 8

CAN ANYONE SEE ANYTHING WRONG HERE?
These are all great and historic nations, BUT LOOK AT HOW MANY THE US HAS. Don't get me wrong- the US has contibuted loads to the modern era, but this is ridiculous!

Plus, the fact that half the wonders are the same as CTP1 but with the end lopped off is a joke, the London Exchange wonders music cut off, mid tune!

With the Egalitarian act, it says in the great library that the EU built it, but in the video it has the US flag!

PLUS, no-where in the manual or in the GL foes it tell you how to finih the game via the science victory!

[Dyzee400]

quote: Originally posted by red_jon on 12-18-2000 01:28 PM PLUS, no-where in the manual or in the GL foes it tell you how to finih the game via the science victory!

This was corrected in the patch since it was not included in the manual.

[red_jon]

That won't help those who don't have the internet!

This game is a travesty, I actually think CTP1 is better (when it has the Med mod of course)!

Activision have fooled me again. I won't be buying CTP3 thats for sure!

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[Slax]

quote: Originally posted by red_jon on 12-18-2000 01:28 PM Plus, the fact that half the wonders are the same as CTP1 but with the end lopped off is a joke, the London Exchange wonders music cut off, mid tune!

I assume you mean you don't like the movies to be repeated, and not the choice of wonders themselves.

[red_jon]

I dislike both. The choice of wonders is laughable- the Empire State building wasn't THAT much taller than the Chrysler building! And a BILL as a wonder?

I've mentioned before why the Emancipation Act and The Agency are not legitimate wonders (they are both things achieved by Britian first).

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[Jen Dragon]

I agree 100%, they tried to much to stay away from civ 1 and 2's wonders, thay obviously didn't take suggestions very well, like you said remade ctp1's wonders for expense reasons, deffinatly not because people requested their return in ctp2, If I remember correctly they got a little flack over the wonders in ctp1, and still didn't change much.

P.S. if they wait 5 years and there hasen't been a civ game in the last 3 or 4 years you will buy ctpIII.

[wheathin]

Of *course* they couldn't use the Civ2 Wonders. They are trying hard enough as it is to avoid trademark-copyright issues with Civ2 as it is. They left out the Chariot, for that very reason - the *Chariot*, for Gods sake! - even though the Chariot is one of the most universal units of the ancient period, one used in EVERY ancient era game.

The Civ2 Wonders don't even correspond to the Seven Ancient Wonders very well, so Activision can't use that as an excuse either. No Mausoleum, for example. And, even if they could use the Civ2 Wonders, they couldn't use similar effects...

[mosquitodriver]

all i have to say to you redjon is until the europeans become the leaders of the free world dont complain about america being represented so much in the game. america made the modern world what it is today with some help from the others but shouldnt the leader get due credit like it did in the game. after all it is an american game, heck i think all the civ games are american, why dont the europeans try making one aye?

[MarkG]

quote: Originally posted by red_jon on 12-18-2000 01:28 PM Turkish = 1

if you mean Hagia Sophia, it's Byzantine....

[The Kaiser]

Wheathin

Is that true about the Chariot Unit?

I know some of the names have been changed like Musketeer's into Infantrymen, but to leave out a unit seems a bit extreme.

[Atahualpa]

Stupid Copyright Issues.

How can they put a copyright on some wonders???? They have no rigth to copyright anything. Especially not the chariot! (as if they invented them)
I will make a game where solely a chariot exists and then sell it and see if they will try to sue me. HAHAHAHAHA **** MICROPROSE.

ATa

[Dyzee400]

How the heck can you copyright a chariot?

[Celestial_Dawn]

quote: Originally posted by Dyzee400 on 12-18-2000 07:47 PM How the heck can you copyright a chariot?

Check with the Assyrian patent office.

[red_jon]

quote: Originally posted by mosquitodriver on 12-18-2000 05:27 PM all i have to say to you redjon is until the europeans become the leaders of the free world dont complain about america being represented so much in the game. america made the modern world what it is today with some help from the others but shouldnt the leader get due credit like it did in the game. after all it is an american game, heck i think all the civ games are american, why dont the europeans try making one aye?

Bearing in mind it is supposed to be a historically accurate game

So you honestly don't think the US is over-represented? 8 WONDERS? You actually think a BILL should be a wonder? This is a CIVILIZATION game not- CALL TO AMERICA

Americas contribution to the world has been about half a century. The Romans and Egyptions were in power way longer and they only get one each? Something very wrong.

And regarding the CIV2 wonders thing- the game has the Pyramids, so why can't it have the rest? Couldn't it have called the chariot by a different name (like its latin name)

[The Viceroy]

I completely agree with Red_Jon on this ... Personally, I think America is a continent, not a civilization .. United States maybe .. but not America.

I always found it a little funny that I have the North Americans and Americans in the same game.

As for it being an American game ... Well, .. how arragant can you get .. the modern world was not build by the US, you have contributed since WW2, and little before this time.

Im reminded of my recent trip to Paris, where I heard an American tourist say "GEEE They really built this thing 100 years ago ??" regards to the Eiffel tower .. It may be a suprise to some of you Americans, but we (Europeans) were building empires while you were eating baked beans and firing guns at each other ... nothing much has changed since.

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