*WONDER* why this is.

[The Kaiser]

The original deal was for 1 game and 1 expansion disc.

Some say including myself, that CTP2 is little more than a expansion disc. So if Activision had admitted this and released it as an add-on disc, it would have saved them a lot of these copyright issues.

I guess by doing it the way they have, it let's them charge more money and keep more of it for themselves!

[Dominous Nemo]

quote: Originally posted by The Viceroy on 12-19-2000 07:54 AM I completely agree with Red_Jon on this ... Personally, I think America is a continent, not a civilization .. United States maybe .. but not America. I always found it a little funny that I have the North Americans and Americans in the same game. As for it being an American game ... Well, .. how arragant can you get .. the modern world was not build by the US, you have contributed since WW2, and little before this time. Im reminded of my recent trip to Paris, where I heard an American tourist say "GEEE They really built this thing 100 years ago ??" regards to the Eiffel tower .. It may be a suprise to some of you Americans, but we (Europeans) were building empires while you were eating baked beans and firing guns at each other ... nothing much has changed since.

If it wasn't for us baked bean gun toating silly Americans you would be soluting hitler right now. And who cares about the Eiffel tower? It just proves you ppl didn't know how to build things back then either. I am next to a church right now that was bult in 1789 in Buffalo,NY I don't see that in the game and I wouldn't expect to. Plus the building isn't leaning though it is starting to fall apart ;-)

As for the game being to American I agree. I think they should make the wonders more general (i.e. Galilao's telescope eq Telescope and etc...)


PS: Sorry for the flame but I think ppl UK have a chip on their shoulder. If it was up to me when we were done with the germans and the japanese we should of took out the brits ;-)

[Alpha Wolf]

Out of curiosity, if some of the helpful Activision emloyees help the mod makers and the mods look to close to civ2, would that still get them in trouble?

I thought the original licence was for CtP1 and a single followup title.

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History is written by the victor.

[red_jon]

OMG!

You really are the most ignorant person I have ever had the misfortune to meet.

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"We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills, we shall never surrender!" -Winston Churchill

"Gotta love me"- Baby, Dinosaurs

[marcuspeddle]

quote: The canadians made us look bad by settling their election before the United States even though they voted for President after we did. I vote they get it

Canada is a constitutional monarchy which means that we have no president. Queen Elizabeth II is the monarch and so we have a prime minister.

Wonders of the world. Some people are complaining about the Empire State Building being a wonder of the world. No one complains about the Pyramids being a wonder of the world when, in fact, they were built to satisfy the vanity of pharoahs. I have just recently read that the pyramids are no great feat of architecture; it's the logistics of building such a thing that's the wonder. Instead of the Empire State Building being a wonder of the world maybe the Statue of Liberty should be a wonder since it came to be known by the whole world as the representation of democracy and freedom. I don't remember - was the Statue of Liberty a wonder in Civ2?

You know, I have an odd co-worker who might be included as a wonder of the world. There are people from various countries working at my university and we're always wondering what's going on inside his head.

[marcuspeddle]

Sorry, posted the same message twice by mistake.
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[Changmai Beagle]

Re: WWI & WW2. As a Canuck I believe we provided some assistance, along with the Yanks (just earlier). However, I think the main effort and sacrifice was made by the Russian people.

I do think Bills, like the Bill of Rights (and even court decisions like Mansfield) could be wonders if they resulted in a change in the world - and in this case a change in gameplay.

[Depp]

The pyramids are still unique, nothing else like it in the world, and it was an engineering feat that is unsurpassed. The Empire State Building is just another building, there are bigger and better ones already, and it didn´t last long compared to the pyramids... Hence it not wonder while the pyramids are.
Eiffel Tower isn´t a wonder either to me.

America is a european colony, didn´t you know ?

[Keygen]

The Piramids exist for more than 3000-4000 years.
The time they where built they were surely a wonder of the world. People still go there from all over the world to admire them!

Well, 5 of the 7 Ancient Wonders of the world were Greek but they only Greek wonder is the Labyrinth which is accually not one of the 7 ancient ones. Labyrinth was a mythological place where the Minoans where droping young people as sacrifice to the Minotaur (which in Greek means Minoan's bull by the way ) and can't think how this could be related with free caravans, maybe I am missing something .

As for the Empire Building I thing it was a great achivement the time was builded. Maybe not a wonder or maybe a wonder, why not.

Regarding the American-Europian war that had started on this topic I think both have some share on what is fair. It is true that the Americans gave a great help to the Europians to the two world wars. Perhaps it is true that the Europians might have been enslaved to the Germans (which are Europians too ) if the Americans wouldn't help but if they hadn't, and the Germans had taken the entire Europe then the American would share the world with them and not with themselves right now . And do not forget what the Russians had contribute to the WWII. They beated the Japanese on the early stages of the war and they crashed the Germans. And the British cicked Adolf's butt in the Battle of England and in Egypt! Not to mention the contribution of other nations to the great war, French, Australians, Polish, Serbs, Greeks etc.

Do not forget that most of the American people and their ancestors are comming from the Europian continent. England, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Russia, Poland, Spain, France, Greece etc. and South American who have come mostly from Spain or Portugal too.
I consider most of the Americans more or less as Europians. Yeah I know that many Americans come from different places than Europe like Africa, China, Middle East, India etc but their society and economical model looks like a fresh and optimized Western Europian copy with only difference the luck of some Europian style . Am I getting bad? No just teasing. To say the truth you have managed in a century to kick our Europian butt and extremely contribute to scientific developement which is maybe the most important aspect of the humanity. We love you but do not forget that you own a bit of your success to us the Europians so give us some attention and include less American achievements to the games and more "world" achievents .

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[jkadabomb]

Alright all you ppl complaining about why not all civs can build all the wonders. Think of as if building a wonder makes that civ the first to develop it and others soon follow. Like WIA, the rest of the nations get one but you just dont know it and you dont get the benifits since you didnt build it first. Makes sense? No, but ppl need to stop complaining and enjoy the game.

[Taranis]

quote: Originally posted by Keygen on 12-27-2000 09:21 AM And do not forget what the Russians had contribute to the WWII. They beated the Japanese on the early stages of the war

Actually, they declared war on Japan after the Germans were defeated and they managed to capture only a few (3?) small islands before Japan surrendered to the US.

And btw, I like the wonders the way they are, and I'm certainly not pro-American
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[Keygen]

quote: Originally posted by Taranis on 12-27-2000 05:03 PM Actually, they declared war on Japan after the Germans were defeated and they managed to capture only a few (3?) small islands before Japan surrendered to the US. And btw, I like the wonders the way they are, and I'm certainly not pro-American [This message has been edited by Taranis (edited December 27, 2000).]

Probably you don't know that the Russians had engaged in war between 1938 and 1939 with the Japanese before even the Germans got in war with the Russians. The Japanese were crushed by Zhuckov in the battle of Halhin Gol in Mongolian territory!
We Europians know better history than you the Americans simply because we have some .

[Alpha Wolf]

I get paid and am American. Does that make me a pro-American?

wonder this, wonder that, blah, blah, blah.... People want wonders and all the good ones were taken, so Activision took what they could. Personally, I've added Code of hammurabi, magna carta, the national guard. Oooops, I need more american wonders

Cant we all just get along????????????? Except the French, they can go away

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[Taranis]

quote: Originally posted by Keygen on 12-27-2000 07:05 PM Probably you don't know that the Russians had engaged in war between 1938 and 1939 with the Japanese before even the Germans got in war with the Russians. The Japanese were crushed by Zhuckov in the battle of Halhin Gol in Mongolian territory! We Europians know better history than you the Americans simply because we have some .

Damn, thats even before WW2 started!
And no, I didn't know about that but thats probably because it was unimportant and I don't care about all those little Japanese-Russian wars before WW2.

The Russians may have determined the outcome of the war in Europe but they certainly didn't help the war against Japan.

Oh and I'm a EuropEan btw

[JC Denton]

American wonders=international wonders, got it?
I do not consider America a true country in the historical sense, I feel like it's a big modern colony with all of the great stuff from around the globe collected in one spot. It's like all the countries of the world allied with each other to create the most advanced nation possible...

And Americans, don't forget: you still speak English! which comes from Europe (GB)
So don't think you are better than them (the Europeans) cuz you are them! (grammar?)

And about all those wonders coming from USA - it's just a game and you are put there to show the AI opponents that every country can rule the world (and build all the wonders). And what could you expect from an america-based company?


Let's promote peace and equality in the whole world!
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