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**Zaphod Beeblebrox** · February 15, 2003, 11:44

though this poll seems a bit wrong, i'm pleased by the fact that the whole nations sees me as a friend by calling me by my first name, and don't have any objections against this

yours,
zaphod beeblebrox

**H Tower** · February 15, 2003, 14:31

let's see some campaigning. I'm especially interested in how the War Party candidates are going to differintiate themselves

**Maquiladora** · February 15, 2003, 16:12

I already voted for Turambar, God help us if we have a peace monger as MoD, and i cant see any reason to elect a new person yet. Would have been more interesting if one of them to run as opposition in the boring single candidate elections.

**HuangShang** · February 15, 2003, 18:57

since maq started it, the WP will all vote for Turambar

**Pedrunn** · February 15, 2003, 20:52

I would like to make a speech:

"Many of you may ask why to vote on me. And I shouldl say why!
What i bring for all of the citizens of lemuria as a Minister of Defense is a democracy. In another words discussions, official poll and debates threads about the moving of our units. This is exacly the thing i miss frim our previous ministers of Defense. Including Turambar the current one.

I would like you all to see numbers in the Directory of Lemuria to prove that what i am saying. While Turambar was only resposible for 1 official poll and 1 empire discussion throug his 3 week term. Since thre are 5 minister the numbers of threads started by me shoul be 1/5 (20%). But as you can see I was responsible 75% (6/8) of the official polls and 80% (4/5) of the empire dicussion threads in the first term. And the these numbers didnt decrease so much this term. Since i was resposible for 50% (4/8) of the official polls and 34% (3/10) of the empire discussions. Not counting the last week in which would bump up my numbers.

Enough with the numbers!!! I think I have made my ponit.
My search is for democracy. A willing of giving the citizens the chance to discuss and oppinate about the decisions of our country. And I put my hand in the fire if someone proves a day where i did not do that! So are you willing to choose a candidate who you know was not responsible for the war discussions even in our fight against Austria. Other people had to start polling about (thanks Locutus here, mrbaggins here and even me here) for spreading democracy since our candidate didnt want to do so (note he didnt even participate of those threads

)! Or will you choose the candidate who was against the spread of our empire after all who would say our empire has grown ages with the attacks!

A previous of what i want is this thread in which was created by me because the minister of Defense, Turambar, didnt. As you can see the plan was not the best or the one used in the attack to Austria but it was deep discussed until reached the attack plan used in the attack in which i changed my mind exacly because of this dicussion. What if Turambar plans were not the best and we could come up with a better one if we have discussed about it. To prevent this possibility i am a candidated as minister of defense.

To bring to the people the word to say what he thinks and debate to come up with the best plan, the plan of the community, and not just the plan of the MoD!!!

Long Life to the Democracy!"

I hope i have made my poit on discussions clear

"And I would like to add that I am on vacation and if anyone tells me I am a absent citizen in the weekend around here to speack about it now!!! I really doubt someones does it. I am here daily and daily my post are here! No wonder my posting rate is about 3.45 a day! And all these posts comes from the CTP2 forums saving rare exceptions."

So vote for a more active and democratic MoD! Vote for me!!!

Pedrunn is the name.

**Pedrunn** · February 15, 2003, 21:03

since maq started it, the WP will all vote for Turambar

I am a WP memebr too

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And even for those who dont like the WP, vote concient. Vote in a democracy. Vote Pedrunn for president!

The proof is in my spech. And i believe one people should be labeled by a party. One citizen is a ctizen with his ideas and opinions. Choose the one you thinks the best and not the one others think to be the best

**mapfi** · February 15, 2003, 22:23

Good speech Pedrunn! You certainly do make a valid point! I would be interested on the further plan with Austria. How long should we battle them? Can we afford to weaken defences in order to take more of their cities? Should we enslave some cities to weaken their defenses whenever we reached the city limit or absolutely reached our defence limits?
Same questions go to the other canditates as well.

**Pedrunn** · February 15, 2003, 23:42

Originally posted by mapfi
Same questions go to the other canditates as well.

Great a debate. Lets begin with it! ( Please read my speech first otherwise you wont understand some notes)

First i would like to say that the words i write here are my plan to destroy the Austrians. And this plan should be deeply discussed to reach achive the best plan ever. It may have mistakes but again my political campaign is based on possible changes in this plan through discussions.

How long should we battle them?

I dont want to measure the time of the war in terms of turns. But in in conquest. As i see we shouldnt send our troops to Wien neither beyond. So once we conquere Graz, Wels and Lins should be the max time we could spend in this war. But the War could end earlier due to the course of events, lenght of he war and the public oppinion (of course).

Can we afford to weaken defences in order to take more of their cities?

I want to propose that: All cities must have an archer and a hoplite. Pedrunnia must have two hoplites and a archer. All attacks will begun after that achievement.

In Colonia Locuta we must have the 'East Army' fortified. An army that will be there serve as a source of garrison units, to defend cities at east and counter attack in case of the worst case scenario.

we must set up in H Town an attack with the a new army called 'West Army'. And send to Graz only after we have enough units (needs to be dicussed) and if not done until the next chats of this term.
We will not only will conquer the city but make the city be used as fort for the 'West Army' against a possible Austrian attack and defend the cities at west.

Should we enslave some cities to weaken their defenses whenever we reached the city limit or absolutely reached our defence limits?

If we have a slave (this has to be discussed with the MoDA)
I propose: We shall only use slaves in cities of civs we are at war. And not in possible targets like Wels and Lins. So if the war of the Austrians dures that much (we still need to research jurisprudence and probably Drama) i think Wiens are the best target.

Note: The uses of wors like 'I propose', 'If', 'Probably', 'Public oppinion', 'Need to be discussed' are part of my proposal as MoD.

Every one of these decision are just draft in which may be totally thrown away or improved since i want to discuss about as much as i can.

**mapfi** · February 16, 2003, 07:36

Well,well - an archer and a hoplite is a pretty weak defence, only barbs will be fended off with that - but that's totally my opinion. We should take as many cities from the Austrians away as we can. We need to cripple them or otherwise they'll fight back with force and don't forget production and PW bonus is on their side. That's why I also think we should at least consider to enslave some cities after we have acquired the number of cities we can seriously defend. We wouldn't need a slaver for that, neither the advance Slave Labour - Martin's city capture code would allow us to do it right now.
I'm eagerly awaiting the other contestents' opinions.

**Pedrunn** · February 16, 2003, 08:02

Originally posted by mapfi
Well,well - an archer and a hoplite is a pretty weak defence, only barbs will be fended off with that - but that's totally my opinion.

I would like to remember that this is the minimum prerequisite we must have to start attack. We are attacking the Austiran leaving in Pedrunnia and mapfipolis less then this.
And thats part of the plan of keeping two huge armies defending the cities and making sure they reach the threatened city in time rather then have several minor ones in every city. It also makes the defense of TI faster assuming we will have some more in this term to come since we dont need to join units together to attack the pillager

But if most people the plan will be changed of course just like mrbaggins did in this thread to me. As i said i dont want to make a Pedrunn military system but a community one.

MISTAKE: The proposed 'East Army' should be placed in Colonia Locuta and not in mapfipolis. I edited my post!

We should take as many cities from the Austrians away as we can. We need to cripple them or otherwise they'll fight back with force and don't forget production and PW bonus is on their side.

Send a attack to Wiens may leave our cities defenseless. It is eight turns to reach there and we still will have to send our units back. But could be done if most agree. Attacks to Salzburg, Praha, Pilsen and far cities are something i dont see coming. Just to dangerous to send our units there.

That's why I also think we should at least consider to enslave some cities after we have acquired the number of cities we can seriously defend. We wouldn't need a slaver for that, neither the advance Slave Labour - Martin's city capture code would allow us to do it right now.

Sorry i misunderstood you i thought you meant the use of slavers. If the people do think the best is to swap all cities (I dont). Can be sure i will make official threads to enslave cities after Wien like Salzburg, Praha and Pilsen. They will only low our happiness due empire distace unhappiness and weaken our defenses (note even if we have roads by that time the regions is mostly hills and those would cost too much) otherwise we may have to create a capitol in Graz (This is a MoDA issue BTW)!

**Pedrunn** · February 16, 2003, 08:13

Addition to enslave.

Enslavement should not be done in the next targets. Including Graz and Linz. Those cities have good placement. Wels should not be enslave but disbanded (if agreed by the MoDA) or kept (It does have good site compared to others of the same region). Disbanded because i still think we should continue our settling expansion. Specially in sites at south (2 cities at least- potato and hill site) and north (1 city at least- date/plains site) of Pedrunnia. But of course this must be talked together with the MoDA and the plan by the people. Others Austrian cities are good candidates.

**Immortal Wombat** · February 16, 2003, 08:33

ZAPHOD! ZAPHOD!

**HuangShang** · February 16, 2003, 19:40

where is every one? only 5 votes?

**Turambar** · February 16, 2003, 19:56

They're eagerly awaiting my speech which I shall make tommorrow.

Turambar	13.33%	2 votes
Pedrunn	53.33%	8 votes
Zaphod	33.33%	5 votes
abstain/don't care	0.00%	0 votes

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