ELECTION - Minister of Defence

[Pedrunn]

we are so insignificant because we have to long listened to the plans of the warmongers

Actually, the community is mostly composed by warmongers (as you can see WP x APP members) But every move until now had no war actions. All were heading for peace!

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Pedrunn


All were heading for peace!

thats what they always try to tell you

[Immortal Wombat]

[Turambar]

Well I've just returned from overseeing our nations first military victory and further expansion of our armed forces .

Just to restate my views:

If elected I promise to follow the will of the people on matters of war! I think that at the moment we should be looking to build up our forces in order to be able to defend our soon to be 3 cities, strike out at any barb threats and eventually invade another civ.

Lets face it. We've no chance or winning this game without war. There's hardly anywhere left to settle and we're surrounded. We must build up our strength and attack when the people deem the time is right! And when that time comes I believe I am the best person to lead our forces to victory!

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

well, perhaps you should mention it will only be 3 cities since you have been outnumbered in the gamechat. after a long discussion a couple of members from your party were convicted of the wiser arguments by members of the APP.

[Turambar]

I've no problem with building the new city now. It's a democracy and the decision's been made.

Whatever people decide to do I shall carry out my job as best I can following their wishes.

[MrBaggins]

Vote for Turambar:

I think that Immortal Wombats stance of not considering expansionistic war at this point... we have ranged units... to be deeply flawed.

Without continued empire expansion we put ourselves in a position of falling hopelessly behind technically, as well as being outnumbered on the battlefield.

Our options for expansion are reduced, turn after turn... other civs are founding new cities, and taking up 'dead space' at an alarming rate.

We have the capability to both defend and attack effectively at this point. We can use force concentration, using combined arms; a large stack of swords and bows, to attack a new and vulnerable enemy city. The enemy will not be able to react to this with enough speed.

With another city we not only weaken them, but strengthen ourselves... we grow more, produce more and research more. Isolated and peaceful growth means a quick death for Lemurians.

So, in conclusion "Vote for Turambar!!"

Its a vote for sanity.

MrBaggins

[Tamerlin]

I won't consider going to war with another civ until we reach 4 or 5 cities when we have the power to replace the losses and defend our land. Peace now is the only alternative to the destruction of our cities and the enslavement of our children.

Vote APP, vote Immortal Wombat.

[MrBaggins]

We shall certainly have the option of founding a 3rd city, but the borders are closing in fast. Founding a 4th and especially a 5th city seems very unlikely indeed, as the enemy closes in.

We shall be building a settler, as our option to settle disappears, as and when the borders encroach. This time will be better spent arming for war.

We should push back against the evil that seeks to engulf us.

Voting for a peace oriented Minister of Defence when certain war is on the horizon is madness.

Vote Turambar

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

... we have ranged units...

so do our neighbours

Without continued empire expansion we put ourselves in a position of falling hopelessly behind technically, as well as being outnumbered on the battlefield.

thats why we should build as many cities as possible NOW. and about that technology... maybe mr.baggins believes, we would earn tech by invading cities? i don't like dissappointinh people, but here i have to.

Our options for expansion are reduced, turn after turn... other civs are founding new cities, and taking up 'dead space' at an alarming rate.

they were, all neighbours we encountered so far have reached about 10 cities, so they won't expand any furter at the moment. well, of course unless we give them a good reason to invade us. oh, and btw, we already have a peace treaty with the thai and our relation to the other nations become better and better.

We have the capability to both defend and attack effectively at this point.

no, we have the means to protect ourselves if neccessary, but not to wage a war against someone who is bigger and has a lead in science.

The enemy will not be able to react to this with enough speed.

perhaps not with speed, but with power, as i said in the turnchat, we might be able to conquer, one perhaps even 2 cities... then they will strike back with their amassed forces and pummel us to death.

VOTE APP! VOTE Immortal Wombat!

[J Bytheway]

Wow - I think the MoD elections are going to be the closest ones for a while...

[Turambar]

Just to remind people of the MoD job description.

The MoD doesn't choose which units to build! The MoD doesn't decide if we go to war!

The MoD is responsible for moving troops during peace and war, and can poll if we should go to war or not.

So far I believe I've done good as MoD and work well with the other ministers during turn chats. Voting for me is not a vote for war or peace as that's the peoples decision (which I shall always respect)! I simply think we should be using the war option in terms of expansion.

But if war is declared either by us or another civ I believe I'm the best person to conduct that war!

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

i don't question, that you would be a good general, (btw. why do you question IW in that aspect?), but you are drawing a wrong picture of the job. though you can't declare war with a resolution, you can pretty easily move ourselves in a position, were war will be inevitable. i prefer a MoD who wants Defence and works in a way, peace can be secured, not someone who desperately wants to become a MoW.

[child of Thor]

I've been away for the weekend, but my views haven't changed. As most of us have played the game alot i really can't understand the reluctance to have a go at either the austrians or germans to make our empire grow, while taking out a future enemy. I would prefer to strike at recently founded cities first - with our low tech armies we would have a much higher success rate. As a strategy it always works against the AI(at least in Cradle which enables you to expand your empire and not just kill a small city automatically) and is one i use to help my early civ to grow while keeping the nearest AI threat down(as it gets lots of other bonuses).
So in this case i guess i can only vote for one of the candidates.....Turambar gets my vote

[HuangShang]

hahaha WE ARE WINNING, come on people go War Party!

we are the only ones that can ensure ur future :.: