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**Tamerlin** · February 2, 2003, 16:35

I am about to translate the strings, I will test these new options with the SAP2 this week.

**mapfi** · February 3, 2003, 10:53

I'll test it in MP but not for at least another week.

Just one question - did you also fix the Bloodbath diplo effect when enslaving? With the old version you'd be punished with a bloodbath diplo loss even though you only enslaved.

**Martin Gühmann** · February 3, 2003, 12:18

Originally posted by mapfi
Just one question - did you also fix the Bloodbath diplo effect when enslaving? With the old version you'd be punished with a bloodbath diplo loss even though you only enslaved.

Actual there was for both events a diplo penalty. I didn't knoe what the third argument of the ChangeGlobalRegard function was so I used some string. That contained the word boodbath. Now the information in the diplomacy window should be more acurate. You receive a regard loss for the next 25 rounds of 50 points if you do an enlsave and you will loose 75 regard points for the next 30 rounds if you do a bloodbarth.

-Martin

**mapfi** · February 4, 2003, 07:05

Ah ok then but I think the regard loss for enslaving is to high. Everybody is going to dislike you after just one enslaving. Maybe half of it for half the time would be enough.

**child of Thor** · February 4, 2003, 10:09

Does capture city feature in the current DG game, and if so how small a city is safe to attack without it being destroyed automatically? Do we get the expand/enslave/bloodbath oprtions like in a Cradle game?

**Tamerlin** · February 4, 2003, 10:33

Originally posted by mapfi
Ah ok then but I think the regard loss for enslaving is to high. Everybody is going to dislike you after just one enslaving. Maybe half of it for half the time would be enough.

The loss is temporary and I don't find it too high as acts like enslavement or Bloodbath should not be treated lightly (and certainly not because of anything like this bulls*** politically correct thing).

**MrBaggins** · February 4, 2003, 10:55

Why would everyone else hate you after you after butchering a city?

Morals were a bit different in that day, and if an ally of yours attacked an enemy of yours, you might actually like if they bloodbathed the sons-of-b1tches...

**Martin Gühmann** · February 4, 2003, 15:53

Originally posted by child of Thor
Does capture city feature in the current DG game, and if so how small a city is safe to attack without it being destroyed automatically? Do we get the expand/enslave/bloodbath oprtions like in a Cradle game?

What does the capture city feature in the current DG game?

To answer the second question: There is a change of 100% like in the original game that a city is destroyed automaticall if it is a size 1 city. In all the other cases the city won't be destroyed before you hit the button. Maybe in some cases it might not work properly.

The third question: As it is basical the code you have in GoodMod 1.0 and in Cradle we get also these three options.

Why would everyone else hate you after you after butchering a city?

Originally posted by MrBaggins
Morals were a bit different in that day, and if an ally of yours attacked an enemy of yours, you might actually like if they bloodbathed the sons-of-b1tches...

Well in the first version I needed something to keep you from using the bloodbath option, originally the penalty wasn't high enough, but now I have some other little surprises for you therefore I already lowered the diplomacy penalties a little bit.

-Martin

**SMIFFGIG** · February 4, 2003, 16:11

i nice option in City Capture would be similar to Pedrunns steal technology (alaCTP1)

It would be plunder gold like in Civ 2 and i think Civ1, it would be based any the size of the city and could either always happen when u captured a city (which i like) or happen on a percentage

- James

**Martin Gühmann** · February 4, 2003, 16:48

Originally posted by SMIFFGIG
i nice option in City Capture would be similar to Pedrunns steal technology (alaCTP1)

It would be plunder gold like in Civ 2 and i think Civ1, it would be based any the size of the city and could either always happen when u captured a city (which i like) or happen on a percentage

- James

Actual this feature is already in and in addition it steals also PW, then only different is that it is based on city number and not city size.

-Martin

**child of Thor** · February 5, 2003, 15:50

Originally posted by Martin Gühmann

What does the capture city feature in the current DG game?

To answer the second question: There is a change of 100% like in the original game that a city is destroyed automaticall if it is a size 1 city. In all the other cases the city won't be destroyed before you hit the button. Maybe in some cases it might not work properly.

The third question: As it is basical the code you have in GoodMod 1.0 and in Cradle we get also these three options.

edit........................
-Martin

Ok thanks, it's just that i haven't played much of SAP(which is the DG game) and i wasn't sure if it worked the same as Cradle when you take size 1 cities. It doesn't so at least i know now!
Why did all these options get taken out in the later versions of Goodmod? They seem like good tools/options to manage the growth of your empire?

**Martin Gühmann** · February 5, 2003, 16:45

Originally posted by child of Thor
Ok thanks, it's just that i haven't played much of SAP(which is the DG game) and i wasn't sure if it worked the same as Cradle when you take size 1 cities. It doesn't so at least i know now! Why did all these options get taken out in the later versions of Goodmod? They seem like good tools/options to manage the growth of your empire?

Obviously you gotn't the point ok one more trial including a look on the file of Cradle 1.35:

I gave Dave the same code for Cradle so Cradle contained the same city capture options like GoodMod. Obviously Dave removed the enslave option and also the Resettlement option, the result was that he now uses some kind of v.1.1 but with a strange if construction. For the buttons you had the same three buttons in Cradle like in GoodMod now Dave removed the Enslave button. So the options were removed from Cradle and not from GoodMod. The original version I gave Dave was identical to the GoodMod version.

For the size one city, if you attack a size one city and you counquer it then its size will reduced by one so that it is a size zero city and in every version of CTP2 size zero cities are destroyed automaticly, so in this case you can't enslave, bloodbath or add it to your empire, because it is destroyed. So in this case there is no difference between the original game or Cradle or GoodMod. In all these versions a size one city is distroyed with a change of 100% if it is captured, because it lost all its inhabitant during the capture.

Dave removed the enslavement option, because it was a little bit buggy, it didn't allow to inslave the population always one thing I fixed in the current version. The other problem that was caused by this enslavement option was that you could very fast very big cities with a lot of slaves. To balance this I added this little nice surprise feature for the slavery guys. Another problem that didn't work in the last version and it is fixed in this version is the move population option that replaces the enslave option once you build the right wonder was buggy, too, because of a small typo.

So to be precise none of these options were removed from GoodMod, they are only a little bit buggy.

-Martin

**Martin Gühmann** · February 12, 2003, 15:50

Well this new version of the city capture options is now out for 10 days. So any bugs found I overlooked?

-Martin

**Tamerlin** · February 12, 2003, 21:53

Sorry Martin, I am currently testing the Updater2 with a new game and I haven't yet used the new Capture City Option. It is nonetheless on my list as the next mod to try.

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