CtP World Cup 2002 Discussion Thread

[Solver]

Doom, please keep it insult free... but I am darn disappointed... after 2 months, of everyone being *very* enthusiastic and drooled about the tourney, hammering out the rules, setting prizes... is this it?

[yoda]

Tourney

I would like to echo something that Dr. Doom said... pathetic! Let's face it, everyone knows who the best CTP players are. The top three are (in no particular order) me, paul and dr. doom. Filix and dragon are up there, but would probably get their buts kicked in this tournament which is why they aren't playing. As for the rest, anyone who contests this assumption of mine should put their time where their comments are and prove it by playing!

It's a real shame. Dragon stated that this map isn't the kind of CTP he likes to play. I got news for you... this map is exactly what makes or breaks a good ctp player. Yes, because of it's size and the number of goods, it eliminates the early "quick win" scenarios. However, there is still plenty of room to try quick attacks and devious strategies. It really was a great map and hats off to JByTheWay for designing it. I believe there was more genius in the map than even the designer realized with the way movement worked out, trade good locations and potential city sites. This map is not the SOL battle game and rewards the patient player. However, is that all bad? So what if you don't have 20,000 SOLs running around participating in a huge slug fest? Do you miss it?

One of the things I was going to suggest after this tournament got under way was to have a series of games covering various scenarios. Play the "big game" on this map, an all sea map on a huge map, an all land map on a huge map and then a mixed or random map on a regular size map. Perhaps some with certain wonders, perhaps some without pollution or other factors. Then, add up the number of wins under each situation to find out who the best all round player would be. However, given the pathetic interest showed in this tournament, I think everyone can forget trying anything a bit more complex.

Paul, Dr. Doom... should we set up a series of maps as suggested above and play them to find out who the real CTP champion is? Perhaps each of us could design one map and then have a 4th map randomly created (as well as jbytheway's map)...

yoda

[quinns]

Nice try Doc! But you won't be able to jump start this tourney by insulting everyone either. However, I do have time to play this map out in PBEM. I promise I will not cheat as long as you don't. I will play you, Dr. Doom, via PBEM using the tourney map. Do you accept the challenge? Or will you back down and say "Oh my, PBEM just takes too long to play!".

[Dr. Doom1]

Quinns:

We'll be at retirement age by the time a PBEM tourney is ever completed. No thanks.

But I'll play you online anytime.

And let me repeat what I said: There were far too many mysterious disappearances by players to be a coincidence.

The truth is out there.

Dr. Doom

[quinns]

Doc: I'm not talking about a tourney via PBEM. I'm saying just one PBEM game between me and you. With maybe two turns per day, we could finish in less than six months -- not by retirement. It is an enjoyable way to play CTP! I have played 4 complete games this way. One game lasted well past the 200 turn mark and only took about 4 months to complete.

I tried to set aside time to play on-line and it almost always was a bust. (As many others will agree to.) On-line games rarely finish, but many PBEM matches do finish.

Quinns

[yoda]

online games

Originally posted by quinns
Doc: I'm not talking about a tourney via PBEM. I'm saying just one PBEM game between me and you. With maybe two turns per day, we could finish in less than six months -- not by retirement. It is an enjoyable way to play CTP! I have played 4 complete games this way. One game lasted well past the 200 turn mark and only took about 4 months to complete.

I tried to set aside time to play on-line and it almost always was a bust. (As many others will agree to.) On-line games rarely finish, but many PBEM matches do finish.

Quinns

6 months to finish a game via PBEM. This tournament map would require about 8 to 10 hours of playing time for most games. The game I was playing with Filix took 8 hours to get to the point where I was taking 4+ cities a turn from him via paratroopers. Another 2 or 3 hours and the game would have been over if he didn't concede earlier.

6 months... yikes! That's a bit much to commit to for just one game!

[Dr. Doom1]

Quinns:

Six months to complete a game of CTP??? You couldn't pay me enough to plod through that excersize.

I said I'll make time to play online anytime you want, for as long as you want. And that same offer stands for anyone else in the tournament.

Lack of available playing time, computer problems, complaints about the tourney map, etc. are not the real reason this CTP tournament can't make it off the ground. The real problem is missing testicles.

I think yoda has the right idea. Paul and me and yoda seem mostly to be the only ones interested in playing. So maybe we should just unilaterally declare ourselves to be the best CTP players in the world, and finish the tournament among oursleves.

Anyone wishing to dispute this claim can challenge.

Dr. Doom

[quinns]

Doom... I already challenged you, and you declined due to time constraints ... I thought time wasn't an excuse for not playing? If you want quick results, I'll play you in a 5 minute game of chess alright? And what is this continual crap about no testicles? Where do you live Doom? Maybe we can discuss this face to face?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by quinns
Doom... I already challenged you, and you declined due to time constraints ... I thought time wasn't an excuse for not playing? If you want quick results, I'll play you in a 5 minute game of chess alright? And what is this continual crap about no testicles? Where do you live Doom? Maybe we can discuss this face to face?

WELL, he is a dr..or sez so his nic-name ..but I agree, no insults, sheesh, I got me bounced fer three days for steppingon Gavrushka's thread..a similiar one to this, to quote Rodney King, "Cant we all, just..get along??"

If not, meet you in the lobbies!!

Troll

[quinns]

You are right Troll!

[blackice]

It's summer guys give this some time to get going evryone slows down in the summer.

BBBB (babes, beer, beaches and BBQs) Tis the season.

In the mean time play who you can and record the wins send the saves and someone will win.

[Dr. Doom1]

Quinns:

My offer stands to play online, anytime, anyone who is still in the tournament.

Otherwise, don't waste my time.


Dr. Doom

[Paulno1]

There is many reasons the tourney aint working, HUMAN NATURE is the big reason and the fact that our time zones are all different. The fact is i can play 5 days a week if i so desire. But odds on, I can only play doom yoda or dragon within that time. Due to the fact that, my after work is the middle of the night for most people. Where if i want to play a european or some americans one of us has to stay up all night. I can only do that Fridays and saturdays and thats if i stay home and dont do anything which dont happen to often anymore. So the only persons whose fault it is, is god for making the world round
Im sure other guys have far more commitments than me and have wives and babies breathing down there necks, So time to play can be quite limited for some.
Ok we have all been rather idle in trying to get games going, but hey, we are men what the f##k do you expect from us
Unless its chasing skirt we cant commit to ****.

Id just like to point out that im allways right and you all have been prooving my point

As quinns said its hard to get a game finished in online games. Well he may be right to some extent. The only pople i regurlalry finish against is my true ctp mates (filix and Dragon) and the people i can bash early.
Still yet to finsih a 1 v1 game with either yoda or doom.

YODA declared me and himself and doom the best 3. I tend to agree that me and him are 1st equal. Doom dragon and filix vary depending on the settings. Since doom and yoda generally play on their settings they get an unrealistic view of filix and dragons abilities. With nukes excluded my money would be on filix in a land game hands down. On a sea game dragon or filix on a regurlar map and doom on a bigger map.

Other than those players id rate my odds, in a 1 v2 game against any others, depending on the settings and rules. Im still keen to add a 3rd player in on the tourney map and play 2 v1 (-:. Still never lost a 2 v1 game YET.

[Dr. Doom1]

Well Paul,

Whatever Filix and Dragon's CTP prowess may be, they still gotta play in the tournament in order to prove themselves to be something other than cannon fodder.

As it now stands, Filix disappeared at the first taste of defeat. And what about that Dragon? Haven't seen hide nor hair of him. Has he gone extinct?

Let's play our tournament game Paul. That way at least one game will have been completed.

Dr. Doom

[Solver]

Currently I'm the big fool sitting here several thousand kilometers away from most of you, and still hoping at least something will happen .

Now the tension here is getting hot... please CALM DOWN you all - I would really hate having to delete some posts here.

Quinns, are you so sure you'd beat Doom in just 5 minutes of chess, though?