CtP World Cup 2002 Discussion Thread

[quinns]

Originally posted by Keygen
Quinns is right. I would have done the same probably if I were into his shoes. Having little available time and postponing other things just to play in a tournament that never comes can be an offense.

I was ready to play you on Saturday but that won't happen eventually

Well, we shall meet on the PBEM Tournament then

Right. Sorry Keygen, no match this weekend, I'm out. Maybe we can start up a one vs. one PBEM... if you like? I am playing Birdman and berXpert now via PBEM one v. one.

[Solver]

Steve, we're down with 14 players now... and I can't see anyone playing. If it continues like this, I feel I'll just shut the whole thing down... so much effort spent on creating the map, organizing the tournament, hammering the rules, a tournament supposed to see the best CtP player. Ehh .

[quinns]

It is a shame. Maybe it is time to visit Civ3 and Civ3 Play the World.

[Solver]

Well if you get your hands on PtW before it's released, congrats .

You know, IMO, Civ 3 is a great game, but the again, I've prefered the more traditional way to some of the things in CtP. It's an enjoyable SP game, and promises to be an even more enjoyable MP game. Just don't read posts by Coracle, and you'll find it quite nice .

If you post in the Civ 3 forums, I'm there, too, all the time.

[yoda]

CIV3

Originally posted by quinns
It is a shame. Maybe it is time to visit Civ3 and Civ3 Play the World.

I found CIV3 to be exceptionally disappointing. I can't say if I would EVER consider re-installing the pig. It didn't matter how many patches they gave it... a pig is still a pig no matter how much lipstick you put on it. As for a multi-player version, they are going to have to PROVE to me that it is worth it before I would even consider looking at it.

The game was released far too early. No movement by stacks; no multi-unit combat; workers were a HUGE waste of time as I found I spent far more time running around fixing problems than actually playing the game; tech advancements were nothing special; the new idea of "appearing" goods was great... except for the NO BRAINER of not providing critical goods like coal on all continents. I played one game where there was ONE coal hex in the entire map (largest map) and no new ones ever popped up. I did like the air power, but once again, no combined attack capabilities. Multiple AI was a joke. They basically GAVE any and all tech to each other. Might as well have just called them all one civ that you were playing against. Military conquest was exceptionally difficult unless you could get a huge lead in tech. There didn't seem to be any room for "tactics". Combat just seemed to be like trench warfare... send them over the top and hopefully you lose less than they do.

However, after wasting 2 months playing that PIG... YES, PIG!... I would have to conclude that CIV3 should have been called CIV2.5. It was a step up from CIV2, but a HUGE step backwards from CTP.

yoda

PS: 14 sounds good for the tourney. Who knows, it may drop lower as it seems each opponent I get started with drops out. Who's next? I'm available starting Monday... LOL

[Solver]

Yoda - what you are saying just clearly shows you prefer CtP over Civ. While PtW has stacked movement, Civ 3 will never have multi unit combat, and Civ 4 won't either, for single unit combat is among the main rules of Civ.

I'm getting the impression tourney will drop down to 2 . Someone, play!

[yoda]

AI

Originally posted by Solver
Yoda - what you are saying just clearly shows you prefer CtP over Civ. While PtW has stacked movement, Civ 3 will never have multi unit combat, and Civ 4 won't either, for single unit combat is among the main rules of Civ.

I'm getting the impression tourney will drop down to 2 . Someone, play!

Have you ever thought about why CIV3 didn't have multi-unit combat? It's because they couldn't program the AI to be effective. That was the big problem with the CTP AI. It wasn't too bad until they had to deal with stacking.

The goal of the CIV3 game designers was to sell games. Period! 99% of the people weren't looking for multi-playing capabilities as all they wanted was to sit down and play on the computer whenever they felt like it. So, the designers did not need to make the game as interesting or challenging as CTP. All they needed to do was to make the AI tough enough so that people wouldn't get bored too quickly.

Anyway, sorry about going on so much over CIV3. This isn't the place for this discussion so I won't post about it again... LOL

Once again, anyone up for a tourney game next week? Keygen, now that Quinns is not playing, do you want to try and get one started next week?

yoda

[Solver]

I've talked to many who complain, but I must admit, though, I prefer single-unit combat. And don't tell me CtP AI is better .

Best of luck to start a game to you and Keygen.

[Gavrushka]

Just dropping in to see how things are going... or rather not going.... I fully understand the reasons for some having to leave the Competition, but there are still 14 people left, each with 13 games to play... Why not relax the rules - and just say 'play' however you see fit, be it a premade map, random map, Huge, small, exclusions, no exclusions whatever - It is fairly obvious that it is becoming a chore to some people - Why not just thrash out the rules for each game, play and move on to the next game..... There is still a Grand available for the winners nominated Charity....

Now I will be off back to making my second million... I never realised how much CTP screwed with my life and my Business... I won't be playing CTP anymore, but I won't be leaving the community either!

[faded glory]

Your so full ****. Coming in here talking about your cars, 13 yachts, Supermodels and millions! We all know your faking it! No one can make millions in todays economy


Unless your a sideshow. Are you a sideshow?


Have another beer faded
Dont mind if I do!

[Solver]

Thanks for seeing, Gav . When you get your third million, be sure to buy something from the Apolyton Store .

I'd love it if the guys still played on the tournament map, but now I no longer care about the schedule, play whenever you see each other. I mean, if games are played on a random maps, and with different settings, the tourney really loses its aim.

[yoda]

Faded

Hey Faded, nice to see someone else post. Are you interested in playing a tourney game this week?

yoda

[Paulno1]

im still around after work and maybe 1 day in the weekend this weekend if anyone wants a game

[Dr. Doom1]

Re: CTP Tournament:

You called it right from the start Paul. This tournament wuz going to go nowhere.

And you know why? Cuz most of the people who entered the tournament are a bunch of neutered puppies...there is no other possible explanation.

First there wuz Gavrushka: if you devoted as much time to actually playing CTP tourney as you did mouthing off in the tricks and exploits column, you would have easily been able to play. Then Filix....I saw the game....Yoda had him whupped, and then he 'adjourned' the game. After 3 times arranging follow-up times...he never showed, then vanished. Swissy...you said you needed a new graphics card...that wuz a month ago...nothing but silence since then. Quinns....a whimpering exit. Patryn, Catete, BerXpert, Nukeboy, Darth Viper...not a SINGLE posting since the first draw was formed....pathetic.

Dr. Doom

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Dr. Doom1
Re: CTP Tournament:

You called it right from the start Paul. This tournament wuz going to go nowhere.

And you know why? Cuz most of the people who entered the tournament are a bunch of neutered puppies...there is no other possible explanation.

First there wuz Gavrushka: if you devoted as much time to actually playing CTP tourney as you did mouthing off in the tricks and exploits column, you would have easily been able to play. Then Filix....I saw the game....Yoda had him whupped, and then he 'adjourned' the game. After 3 times arranging follow-up times...he never showed, then vanished. Swissy...you said you needed a new graphics card...that wuz a month ago...nothing but silence since then. Quinns....a whimpering exit. Patryn, Catete, BerXpert, Nukeboy, Darth Viper...not a SINGLE posting since the first draw was formed....pathetic.

Dr. Doom

REALITY BITES DA BIG ONE..HUH..FELLAS??