Wonderfull poll!

[binTravkin]

So, what other world wonders should we build (can select multiple)?

It's good style to post your argument as well.

Oh, I forgot Liberty effect - it's a free specialist in all cities on the same continent.

[Kataphraktoi]

Sistine Chapel is worthless. Even in BtS unless going for culture win.

[-SafaN-]

chitchen itza, more because of denial
hagia sofia saves us workers
versailles is necessary if we have a large empire (i'd like to keep a GE behind to instant build this in a city with big corruption)

[N35t0r]

I love pushing neighbours' borders, and every bit helps. Then again, I agree that we shouldn't build it.


Anyway,

Parth: useful for GP popping
Notre Dame: a bit expensive, but with stone and ind bonus it's 'only' 260 hammers. It's like a free happiness resource.
Hagia Sophia: Super workers an age before everyone else. Pretty useful if we intend to settle the whole continent.
Hanging Gardens: Are you kidding me? One free pop. per city. and the health to go with it. What are we waiting for? Oh, right. More cities.
Spiral Minaret (and the same goes for UoS): 1: Big empire 2: Max cost: missionary
3: free cash per city
4: ...
5: Profit!
Versailles: Unless GS builds it, it's better if we do. Somewhere around the south of the nana lands I'd say.
Taj Mahal: GA FTW! even MORE commerce _and_ production to boot! Jumpstart an already jumpstarted empire. With marble, we'll be breaking even hammer-wise (although spread out) with 28 total pop points.
SoL: No-brainer. Especially if we're still rep. by that time.

[binTravkin]

What is UoS?

Hanging Gardens: Are you kidding me? One free pop. per city. and the health to go with it. What are we waiting for? Oh, right. More cities.

Dunno, we decided to go Library first and at the time we did not have that much cities. Now it's double the worth. The problem with it is we need aqueduct first. Probably we should do that next.

Versailles: Unless GS builds it, it's better if we do. Somewhere around the south of the nana lands I'd say.

We'll do it somewhere between GS Valley and Voxland!

[Kataphraktoi]

Hanging gardens and GL are both priorities for now, later we want versailes and the FP should go in somewhere around splittesville?

[Impaler[WrG]]

If our next Great Person is and Engineer I think grabbing the Parthenon would be a good use for it (I understand their arn't any good techs to take with it). Someone on the other continent might already be working on Parthenon (those civs are Philosophical aren't they) and beating them to a wonder screws them over big time. We gain yet more GPP multipliers and if we put the wonder in a secondary city such as Bananopolis we can rapidly expend its borders and begin an alternate GP farm.

Hanging Garden can wait a while as I doubt anyone is building it yet, though GS might try for it in the near future. After the Library is finished we should focus on the Epics, the Heroic one is Tassagrad and the Literary one in Bejing. Then a Gardens push would be a good goal, especially if were in Bureaucracy.

Most of the rest of the wonders are decidedly later game and depend on us retaining a strong tech lead, I of corse support building ALL these wonders and more if were able too.

[N35t0r]

Originally posted by binTravkin
What is UoS?

Never mind, I keep forgetting what's in and what isn't in vanilla.

[Maniac]

Versailles is currently leading with three votes. I haven't voted yet, but I certainly agree Versailles would be an awesome wonder. It would be a great alternative method to reduce the maintenance costs of a large empire. However Versailles requires Divine Right, and Divine Right requires Theology. I'd like to point out that having the opinion that a Drama/Music/Theology b-line is not very good, and that Theology should be skipped completely, is incompatible with the opinion that Versailles is a wonder worth pursuing.

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[Mart]

all of them, if our use is moderate then for the sake of denial. unless it's like 3 turn to expiration...

Hanging gardens and Parthenon are cheap. would help a bit.

[N35t0r]

hmm? you need music for theology?

[binTravkin]

Yes, well, Versailles needs Theology and Notre Dame needs Music. I don't think though anyone else is shooting for those and even less for those wonders. For now we're only ones able to make such investments an even then I'd prefer having stone (both wonders need it).

Talking about Versailles - is it possible to see it in opponents territory other than by trading maps/top5 screen?
If it is, we might need to do some action before building it, or we might want to build it in/near Beijing and then move the capital.

Mart has a point here on expiry - Parthenon, Chitchen Itza and Hagia Sophia are all expiring rather soon.

Parthenon would certainly be worth it if built with a GE because it would pay it back multiplied (some extra GPs by Chemistry). Building it conventionally doesn't seem so feasible, at least not without marble.

Chitchen Itza might as well not pay itself back before Rifling unless we're planning some military action and even then, the value is dubious as we're not sure how often in the war our cities would get attacked.

Hagia Sophia would likely pay itself back by Steam Power, allowing us to build at least half a worker per city less, which is some 15+ workers until Steam power, or 1000+hammers vs 550 (bear in mind though, HS hammers should be halved to get the real picture as it gets much bigger modifiers).

[Mart]

We may have up to 3 centers this way:
- palace
- versailles
- forbidden palace

we may plan accordingly.

[binTravkin]

Yeah, but which center do we put where? The only movable center is palace, so if we haven't done any conquest in the south at the time we're ready to build Versailles, I'd say it should be built in Xian and afterwards palace moved to south.

[Mart]

sounds reasonable. Let us see how everything developes. Anyway it would be good to start building wonders in other than Beijing city.