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[binTravkin]

Turn's in, I'll be able to open it in 3h.

[binTravkin]

Ok, GS is asking for it.

They have 420g now, enough to run non-stop for some 15 turns (should be enough for them to get Liberalism)

I suggest:
0.Send message and ask when exactly Feudalism is gonna be transferred
1.Starting on Feudalism now
2.Hooking up elephants asap
3.using GM for Guilds
4.Banking->Gunpowder->Engineering
5.Getting rid of GS.

They've stretched it too far and think we're idiots.

[binTravkin]

Or 2nd idea:
1.ask
2.stockpile for several turns
3.if they don't transfer, we can do the tech in very short time, if they do, we haven't lost anything either.

[PJayTycy]

Very strange ...

Who played GS' turn ?? If their turnplayer does not agree with the diplomacy we do with Blake, do we need somebody else inside GS to handle diplomacy with ?

[-SafaN-]

Well seems we are afoot for war again. Some ideas i want to share about it:

Civics: We have access to police state and theocracy. It will cost us 3 turns and will be visible for GS

Tech: We were working on drama-music-dr(with the ga).

It seems we have to tech to feudalism ourself.
bt proposes Feud-Guilds(with the gm)-Banking-Engineering

engineering gives +1 on roads.


Production:

we only have a barracks in Tassagrad and Xi'an. We should at least build a new one in Mhasa.


Our best unit right now is maceman, it will take a while to get there tho. At the moment we don't have horses or elephants inside our cultural boundaries. If we want knights or elephants we need at least one more city.

all in all, we cannot suprise attack them like we did with banana's. Eventually we will win. but at what cost?

The big question is: do we go for an all out war now? Or do we just break all diplomation with them and enter a cold war?

I agreed with the banana war because we could gain a lot in a small time with a small investment.

Now? the preparation alone will take 50 turns, 50 turns that we will spend in units, techs all focussed on war.
50 turns that GS will use to defend. Sure they cannot win, but we will neither.

I don't think a war is in our best interest right now

[binTravkin]

Who played GS' turn ??

The 'lazy turnplayer' NYE

Civics: We have access to police state and theocracy. It will cost us 3 turns and will be visible for GS

And both gives us too little to be worth it.

We should at least build a new one in Mhasa.

Almost done - 3 turns or whip

At the moment we don't have horses or elephants inside our cultural boundaries.

Yes, but both are question of an extra settler.

Now? the preparation alone will take 50 turns

The only preparation we need is a road. Our current army of 6 chucks, mace and ax would have us kill at least one city and ravage a lot of cottages in their heartland.
For a limited time we can build at speed 1 chuck per turn and some 10 extra chucks would be sure death to GS since their forces consist of spears, skirms and axes now.


Anyways, I think we should:
1.start stockpiling
2.switch to Feudalism (we don't need Drama/Music/DR that much)
3.when we're clear that they are not gonna transfer us anything, research Banking in 6 turns (2 for Feudalism, 1 for Guilds, using GM, 3 for Banking) and thus get ahead economically.
4.at this point we will be sure what we need to do next - kick GS ass, or just race to victory leaving them in the dust.

[Mart]

Do we have some summary on GS Intelligence?
A good war plan for case of conflict starting any turn would be useful.

Taking a look at our power graph, GS probably decided that it's time to slow us down.

[Lacero]

Anyways, I think we should:
1.start stockpiling
2.switch to Feudalism (we don't need Drama/Music/DR that much)
3.when we're clear that they are not gonna transfer us anything, research Banking in 6 turns (2 for Feudalism, 1 for Guilds, using GM, 3 for Banking) and thus get ahead economically.
4.at this point we will be sure what we need to do next - kick GS ass, or just race to victory leaving them in the dust.

I like this plan.

I know I've been hating on GS for a while now but their attitude and play just stank. If the only thing we can do is kill them and secure the oceans to hold on until we win then so be it, it'd be easier with them as allies but they're not stupid and we're winning. They won't help us until they're on top.

[Kataphraktoi]

Anyways, I think we should:
1.start stockpiling
2.switch to Feudalism (we don't need Drama/Music/DR that much)
3.when we're clear that they are not gonna transfer us anything, research Banking in 6 turns (2 for Feudalism, 1 for Guilds, using GM, 3 for Banking) and thus get ahead economically.
4.at this point we will be sure what we need to do next - kick GS ass, or just race to victory leaving them in the dust.

Back in the strategic thread RE banking when i was anti-banking, this is exactly what i meant. An extra 20% on research will not help vs GS now, what would we get with it? There is no military techs within range.

For a limited time we can build at speed 1 chuck per turn and some 10 extra chucks would be sure death to GS since their forces consist of spears, skirms and axes now.

I like this, and thats when i would go for banks. With a large and distant empire banks in beijing and those juicy floodplain cities would bring home the bacon.

I think banks first then war is something we would regret doing. It would take time, wouldnt really help production our military efforts, and space victory seems a bad idea to me, as said before.

I wont be a on a puter for a few days, just about to leave, so ill be back maybe for 425 AD. On another note,IMO, hitler lost WW2 by being hasty and remember that ACDG3 DA panic attack

[Impaler[WrG]]

Blake says their SOOO sorry for not switching to research

[N35t0r]

If we want to go to war, we should hurry. The longer we take, the greater the chances that the other continent will give some help to GS (rather, it'll be a question of how much help they'll give, rather than if).

[binTravkin]

Back in the strategic thread RE banking when i was anti-banking, this is exactly what i meant. An extra 20% on research will not help vs GS now, what would we get with it? There is no military techs within range.

Kata:
1.Guilds leads to Gunpowder and allows knights
2.With 250b/turn at 100% science, 20% average allocation boost would mean extra 50b/turn, and that's without the specialist bonus, which is gonna give a minimum of another 30b/turn.
3.Using engineers in most coastal cities will also boost production.
4.There's no other route which
- brings us closer to better military
- improves our economy so much

It would take time

Name anything comparable that takes less time (10 turns).

f we want to go to war, we should hurry. The longer we take, the greater the chances that the other continent will give some help to GS (rather, it'll be a question of how much help they'll give, rather than if).

GS is very far from contacting anyone else, and I don't think the guys on other continent are focusing so much on exploration either.

On another note,IMO, hitler lost WW2 by being hasty

Hitler's doubts enabled Dunkirk and led to loss in battle of Moscow. He was actually much too slow, since he didn't really comprehend the blitzkrieg as well as, e.g. Guderian.

[PJayTycy]

Well, anyway the road to GS becomes even bigger priority now...

[Lacero]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
Blake says their SOOO sorry for not switching to research

He will be

[PJayTycy]

I again advocate to whip the courthouse in Hong Kong. We need to use to mass of population there...

In 350AD, it cost 4 people, now it's down to 3 people. Our foodbar is 34/38 full, so we will regrow almost immediately from 6 to 8 (this turn + 2 turns later).