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[19:27:54] Pieter-Jan Busschaert zegt: Also, Beijing can hurry the aquaduct
[19:28:08] Pieter-Jan Busschaert zegt: it's angryness from previous whipping is over
[19:28:29] Impaler[WrG] zegt: I dont recall if BT's plann callled for that or not
[19:28:43] Pieter-Jan Busschaert zegt: + We will get 90 hammers for 2 pop...
[19:29:46] Impaler[WrG] zegt: that dose sound nice, just want to confirm its in the build plan
[19:30:23] Impaler[WrG] zegt: I see that GS has not been building its power up at all
[19:32:00] Pieter-Jan Busschaert zegt: last BT talked about beijing production plans was in 275 AD, when we started on caravel.
[19:32:16] Pieter-Jan Busschaert zegt: the original plan was temple->aquaduct(whip), but we changed temple to caravel
[19:33:26] Impaler[WrG] zegt: ok then I think were good for a whipping, I think we had NE as next build?
[19:33:33] Impaler[WrG] zegt: followed by HG
[19:35:12] |SafaN| zegt: yeah overflow was to be put in HG
[19:35:22] |SafaN| zegt: and we should also build a temple inbetween
[19:36:04] Impaler[WrG] zegt: I don't think the temple will be nessary
[19:36:34] |SafaN| zegt: well it was to push for a GP, but we have more important things to do now
[19:39:58] Impaler[WrG] zegt: afk

[binTravkin]

Ok, I finished it up:
- whipped aqueduct in Beijing
- whipped courthouse in Hong Kong
- moved the mace ahead towards Mhasa
- moved the freed-up archers to replace fogbusting chuks (should continue on this)
- moved chucks to blockade Hun (so it doesn't use low-food tiles and grows)

[N35t0r]

Originally posted by binTravkin
GS is very far from contacting anyone else, and I don't think the guys on other continent are focusing so much on exploration either.

If there is still a war on the other continent, then either whoever is alone is doing extremely well, or one of the three isn't involved. If we are at war with GS and somehow they gain contact with someone on the other continent, chances are they will pump GS up as much as possible, just from our differences in score.

[binTravkin]

From what do you judge someone is doing extremely well?
For me it seems that the high growth or Mercs has stopped while Horde is getting more powerful commpared to the other two, but both of that is explainable if we believe in what was posted in forum - that Horde and Sarantium are at war with Mercs.

[N35t0r]

A 2x1 war would have been over by now, unless the team that's alone is doing extremely well...

[Mart]

It looks more like Horde is barely alive, so it's like 1x1

[Maniac]

If Gathering Storm doesn't respond to friendly requests to hand over the tech, I think it's time for diplomacy - the Spartan way. To be more precise, considering that we're the strongest power, and everyone knows it, and people don't want to cooperate with us anymore, there's no reason not to flex our muscles and do some thinly veiled bullying whenever it suits our purpose. Plus it's more fun.

I noticed there's a GS Spearman in that Jungle zone together with our three Chucks. So I'd suggest we send yet another diplomatic message to GS, in firm wording asking for the tech, and at the same time move all three Chucks one tile south. They'll get the message...


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Btw, I noticed there's a city called Nánjing (southern capital) to the north of Beijing (northern capital).

[Maniac]

Originally posted by -SafaN-
The big question is: do we go for an all out war now? Or do we just break all diplomation with them and enter a cold war

The war goal could be hold as much empty land as possible while we bring in the settlers to colonize the area.

[Maniac]

May I suggest to build an extra Caravel to scout/patrol the unexplored islands off the coast of the middle of the continent? A fleet of galleys can currently get unnoticed within two turns of Xin Guangzhou, and within four turns of Beijing. Our game stands or falls with control of Beijing. Gathering Storm knows that too. Their only shot at still having a chance to win this game is razing Beijing. I'd expect a naval invasion.

Edit: So perhaps we could also sail a caravel towards the nearest GS coastal city, to dissuade them from such plans, and let them know they don't stand a chance. Yes, that might be the best chance to maintain the peace.

[binTravkin]

A 2x1 war would have been over by now, unless the team that's alone is doing extremely well...

At the time the war seemed to start, Mercs were doing almost as good as us.

Btw, I noticed there's a city called Nánjing (southern capital) to the north of Beijing (northern capital).

Our scientists have not yet decided with end of the compass points south.

A fleet of galleys can currently get unnoticed within two turns of Xin Guangzhou, and within four turns of Beijing.

Humm, I thought our visibility range covers enough area.

Anyways, that will be a worry once they build a coastal city, which they haven't yet.

[Mart]

Originally posted by Maniac
... Their only shot at still having a chance to win this game is razing Beijing. I'd expect a naval invasion.

My thoughts for many turns. More questions:
- are we sure GS has no coastal cities? would trade show us that? fog of war may prevent us from seeing that city that's already there. I'm not sure how civ4 works here.

also we could have more caravels in case one of our circumventing gets into trouble - a bay that's coverd with ice and it cannot sail further. I had such cases in single player.

[binTravkin]

We know where current GS cities are and they have only 5:
3 in the old territory
1 Voice
1 new where we planned the border to be

If there was a new city we would see it in trade screen.

We should be careful producing more units at least until we have banks since we're past our support limit.

[Mart]

That needs attention then, when the sixth city appears - is it coastal or not.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by binTravkin
Humm, I thought our visibility range covers enough area.

Check three tiles SE of Xin Guangzhou.

Our scientists have not yet decided with end of the compass points south.

You could use a Hive name if lack of inspiration is the problem.


For the record, personally I don't think we shouldn't let our military size be determined by how many units we can support for free.