Operation "Great Library"

[mostly-harmless]

This thread should be used to discuss plans and strategies to get the Great Library.
The War Games thread should not be used for this discussion.

If someone still remembers, what was the plan to get the Great Lib in the minimum amount of turns?

mh

[ruff_hi]

tech and chop!

If we really are abandoning the Great Oracle Hunt (GOH), then we might want to pull one of those workers back to Pink Dot. If they are already on the marble, I would just have them road and quarry the marble together and then road back to PD - sure, we lost some worker cycles, but it was fun.

[Sullla]

The workers are on the marble. We really haven't lost much of anything thus far, aside from a lot of calculations and forum posts.

[ruff_hi]

I'll work up a GLib path based on where we are now and where we need to be to get it (al la Oracle push) some time this week.

[ruff_hi]

The GLib target ...

Current Situation (T92)
90 gold in the bank at -17gpt (@100% science), +30gpt (0% science).
Aeth is 4 turns away. Lit is another 10. [I mean Lit is 6 turns, 10 from now]
Thus we need 170 gold to tech at 100%.
So, we 17 turns in total to land Lit ...
3 turns @ 0% (+90) and 14 turns @ 100% (-170)

The GLib takes 350 hammers, or 175 hammers with marble connected. A1 can put out 15 hammers per turn. A chop generates 20 hammers.

So, the question is, how many chops and how many turns?

5 chops and 5 turns generates 175. Is that our target?

[Sullla]

Yes, but Literature is definitely not another 10 turns after Aesthetics. Even accounting for the need to raise some aditional cash, it shouldn't take that long - right? It should only take ~4 turns to research Literature at 100%, once pre-reqs are factored in.

5 turns to build the Great Library after finishing Literature is indeed our target, yes. Two workers should be able to manage those chops; we'll need a road on two of those forest tiles to get it done successfully though. (Since it takes a turn to move onto a forest tile otherwise.)

Is anyone interested in doing a turn-by-turn sim with our two workers?

[ruff_hi]

Well, I got the 6 turns for Lit from the real game - so I guess it is close to correct.

[ruff_hi]

How to build the Great Library in 1 Turn

Here is how we build the Great Library in 1 turn ...

This will require some set up, but it is possible. For this example, I am aiming to build the Great Library on Turn x. I am assuming that we have 2 workers available at A1 and that we have mathematics.

Turn x-4
A1 is building something that is 1 hammer short
A1 is configured to max hammers (16 at -2 food)

Turn x-3
A1 completes something, 15 hammers into overflow
A1 builds science (configuration unimportant)
2 forest chops (60 hammers)

Turn x-2
A1 builds science (configuration unimportant)
2 forest chops (60 hammers)

Turn x-1
A1 builds science (configuration unimportant)
1 forest chops (60 hammers) <- this could even be a 7 turn mine on the forest plains hill

Turn x
We finish researching Literature (ie this is the first turn that the Great Library is available)
A1 configured to max hammers (17 at -2 food assuming we mined the plains hill)
Hammers into the Great Library ...
15 from overflow from turn x-3
150 from 5 forest chops
17 from current production
182 x 2 = 364
Great Library in 1 turn!

Please, someone check my maths.

[Swiss Pauli]

Very good. I'm not sure that'll we'll need to build it in 1 turn, but it's nice to know that we can if needed

[mostly-harmless]

Cool stuff.
That requires 3 workers & 2 prechops(incl. roads) or 2 workers & 3 prechops(incl. roads).
The bottleneck I see is in getting Mathematics.
We don't want to trade it right after we discovered Aesthetics for obvious reason.

Will the math bonus to the chops be calculated on the turn the chop is done, or on the turn we switch to Great Lib?

mh

[regoarrarr]

I think that we should do this - every turn we have those scientists is a turn earlier that we get an Academy, a turn earlier we bulb philosophy, etc.

But yeah - m-h has a good point about when we get credit for the math chops - I would guess that we'd have to have it when we chopped.

But if we aim to build TGL at turn x, where turn x is the turn we discover Literature, then we can trade Aesthetics for Math at turn x-3. Nobody is going to be able to research Lit in 3 turns, much less be able to build TGL on turn 1 (without having planned for it already).

I am assuming that a) nobody has an engineer and b) Aest is a pre-req of Literature in BtS.

[ruff_hi]

Originally posted by mostly-harmless
Will the math bonus to the chops be calculated on the turn the chop is done, or on the turn we switch to Great Lib?

The maths bonus depends on when we chop, not when we let the chop flow through to a build.

[T-hawk]

Yes, Math must be known at the time of chopping to get the 30 hammer credit.

Here's another way to get hammers: what if we whip the current build on the turn that A1 is one hammer short? The 30H will go into overflow and wait while the city is on Research. And that lets A1 do something useful with its food production over the next few turns in regrowing, rather than bumping into the happy cap and wasting food.

[ruff_hi]

oh wait - we could start this at Turn x-3 with the last forest chop occurring on Turn x and still build the Great Lib on Turn x. That will mean we only need 2 turns of building science.

[Sullla]

Very, very interesting. I don't know if we'll have all the pre-chops in place to pull it off, but we can certainly try! Based on this math, I'm going to assign Bernard to pre-chop duty, rather than have him start roading towards Cape Town/Twin Peaks. The current plan means we need to have pre-chops in place for as little as five turns from now.

As mostly_harmless said, they key question is picking up Mathematics. Trade Aesthetics to Imperio for Math? We better be confident in our pre-chopping situation if we do that!