Turnplayer Thread #2.

[regoarrarr]

PS Talking about Great Library, have we decided on location for Library #3 for it? (IIRC, It requires 3 libraries and we have only 2 now.)

Is that a new requirement in BtS? I'd never heard of that

[ruff_hi]

I am pretty sure that GL only requires library in city where you want to build it.

[Zeviz]

Sorry, I must have it confused with FfH version.

[Sullla]

Originally posted by Zeviz
So to connect marble we need 1.5 turns to get there, ? turns to quarry, and 2 turns to road, right? (Assuming coastal trade route connection either directly or through Jerusalem.)

1 turn to move the worker, 2 turns for the road, and 6 turns for the quarry (just double-checked in Worldbuilder). Will the Oracle still be around in 9 turns? Doubt it, but you never know.

Game still down, waiting in limbo at the moment.

[sooooo]

If we want marble, we could just whip out a settler and place him on the marble/clams site to the west. Settle on the marble and it's instantly connected. Plus we would have a new city

[Sullla]

I don't think we need marble THAT soon... and wouldn't we look silly if we whipped Pink, only to have someone else finish Oracle the turn we connected marble? Only 5 more turns to another settler naturally anyway.

Game back up, I have selected Aethetics as our tech. We're crossing our fingers and going for the Great Library in earnest now. Interesting side note: the turn timer didn't reset to the start of the turn. There are less than 18 hours left, and most teams haven't played their turns. Might end up hurting some of the less diligent teams. We'll see.

[mostly-harmless]

Good discussion here.
First of all, please someone check my numbers. ;-)

I don't like delaying our dash to Great Lib for a few gold from an aborted Oracle.
Remember that we already saw a worker chopping forests near Lakamha. That is probably going towards The Oracle.

We know what Imperio and PAL are researching, we know Tenplars don't have enough beakers and C&D can spot any classical tech (like Aesthetics) researched by either Rabbits or Banana (none so far).

mh

[Zeviz]

Originally posted by mostly-harmless
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I don't like delaying our dash to Great Lib for a few gold from an aborted Oracle.
Remember that we already saw a worker chopping forests near Lakamha. That is probably going towards The Oracle.
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I thought we were going to delay by only a single turn that it takes for us to research Priesthood, so that Oracle attempt wouldn't cause a problem. Or do you mean wasting forest chops that could go towards GL?

[mostly-harmless]

Both. If we bend everything towards getting The great Lib against the industrious civs out there, we should not delay by a single turn. OUr chance to land the oracle are not very high.

mh

[sunrise089]

Why don't we wait and see if we can get Marble hooked up before the Oracle falls.

[Zeviz]

It will take us 9 turns to connect Marble and 8 turns to discover Aestetics. If nobody has Aestetics by the time we are done with it, we'll know that are at least a turn ahead. Also, we'll see when Imperio gets Math and will be able to use that, combined with their GNP, to find lower bound on when they are likely to learn Aestetics + Literature. Similarly, if we see PAL gain any new tech.

So if either PAL or Imperio hasn't researched any new techs by the time we are done with Aestetics, we might have to re-evaluate our Oracle plans. Otherwise, we'll know a lower bound on when competition can start on GL.

[Zeviz]

Didn't C&D say that PAL got Christianity a few turns ago?

I just realized that after seeing that they already have a religion and Monarchy is available for Alphabet, PAL might have decided to skip CoL and make a play for Great Library. This would also explain their delayed replies to us, because if we had started Monarchy research, that would give them a bigger head start on Aestetics.

This is just a theory, but I am not going to be surprised if we see PAL with Aestetics in a few turns. Can C&D give an estimate on when PAL should get CoL and when it should get Aestetics if it started researching one of these two techs after Alphabet?

[Swiss Pauli]

I'd be surprised if PAL skipped CoL for Aesthetics. Prince level maint isn't that bad, but to give up a religion (and free missionary) wouldn't seem to be a strong play, especially as CoL was their suggestion (which leads me to think they lack a ready source of marble for GLib anyway).

If we can get our workers optimally aligned in their chopping, I think we can even afford to trade around Aesthetics. The other teams won't have prepared as well as we have (as they weren't researching Aesthetics), so we'll beat them to the Great Library even if they do change course and switch research to Literature after we trade them Aesthetics.

[ruff_hi]

I would be much happier hanging onto Aesthetics for a few turns just to make sure. I don't think that PAL has the hammers to compete (how big is their biggest city?) given that they are whip-tastic.

[mostly-harmless]

C&D thinks that Christiantity has spread to at least one major city.
PALs capital would make sense.
It has a trade route with Jerusalem presumably (or the other way around) and is currently at size 6.

I doubt they will have given up CoL because of that.

I want to echo the desire for us to at least get started on Literature a couple of turns before we release Aestehics to the world.

mh