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**kittenOFchaos** · November 22, 2001, 23:52

I'm sure family size is "broken"...my civilisation may be growing and yet family size is out down as 1 child per family -surely that will cause a decrease in my population UNLESS adultary and remarriage was VERY common.

**Hunter Hutchins** · November 23, 2001, 01:10

Is there a way to get to ranked demographics during the game? I hate having to finish or retire to see them...

**Boney** · November 23, 2001, 01:47

For demgraphics during game time just hit F11. F7 shows wonders. F8 power graph. F9 palace. F10 spaceship. I too like checking out demographics during game time.

I would have liked it better if by hitting one category, such as population for example, I could see each civilizations ranking.

**War4ever** · November 23, 2001, 02:03

Boney...with all the free info they give us already....why didn't they do what you stated above

if your going to give us info....give it all.....

personally i think we get way too much free info....theres no intelligence required ...actually espionage is pretty useless and too darn expensive

**Dude Love** · November 23, 2001, 02:18

Re: Demographics

Originally posted by jack_frost
MFG Goods: not 100% sure, since productivity reflects shields directly. If your productivity is 1st, this isn't always. Maybe its shield production against the average size (in shields) of what your building?

I haven't checked this or anything, but wouldn't it make more sense if MFG Goods was the total amount of shields made and productivity was MFG goods divided by your population thereby showing how productive each citizen is?

**Boney** · November 23, 2001, 02:21

Actually there is too much free info. The demographics on F11 should only be allowed after the Intelligence Agency small wonder has been completed. This could even make the wonder useful. I find that 3 out of 4 spies are caught, causing all sorts of mayhem. And, as you said, anything they do comes with an expensive price tag. So for the nost part spies are pretty useless, unless you want to be hated.

On the Otherhand the AI knows everything about us, those settlers of theirs ignore the lush pastures and head to my dense jungle. This is well before any contact has been made.

**War4ever** · November 23, 2001, 02:45

true the ai knows all.... but in comparison they can't fight or buiild in the proper locations either........so were even as far is am concerned

**dexters** · November 23, 2001, 02:58

I would be concerend if you need an intelligence agency to know the state of your country's economic health.

Keeping track of your own country's poplation growth, GNP, family size, literacy level is conducted by the government, and thus a free source of information for you. It's not the job of the intelligence agency to do that.

**Boney** · November 23, 2001, 03:57

Ah but Dexters Demographics do give you the home info, but they also show where you are in comparison with other countries, some you have not even dome into contact with. How do you know that your population ranks 5th in the world in 2000bc.

So point taken, maybe the ranking should only be shown after intelligence agency.

The ranking can change my game plan if I see that I am falling behind in certain areas.

**cort** · November 23, 2001, 04:06

Re: Demographics

Originally posted by jack_frost

Population: duh

MFG Goods: not 100% sure, since productivity reflects shields directly. If your productivity is 1st, this isn't always. Maybe its shield production against the average size (in shields) of what your building?

Can anyone fill in the blanks, solidify my shaky knowlege of this very useful screen?

if they havent changed it since civ2, MFG goods is the total number of shields you are producing. hence together with the population, they are the two most useful signs of your power.

**jack_frost** · November 23, 2001, 22:32

I was under the impression that production just directly listed the number of shields you produce (no math, just straight shields).

Am I wrong in this?

**barefootbadass** · November 24, 2001, 01:23

In civ2 life expectancy was affected by technological level and how many cities had things like sanitation improvements and such. It didn't have much to do with growth rate except that I think refrigeration was a good boost. Anyway, it wasn't a very useful demographic IMO.

**Blaupanzer** · November 24, 2001, 13:38

I agree that Firaxis should have dropped the other shoe, so to speak, and given us all civs rankings ar the touch of a mouse-click for the stuff in the demographics. The population, general output capability, educational level, and so forth of various nations/empires has never been that secret. Contact would be required, but elsewhise, the general rankings would be known. The taking of regular censuses is nearly a thousand years old as a tradition in Europe (even older, but less well documented, in parts of China, India, and Africa.) Demographics in Civ 3 are mostly the stuff you read in the paper, not the stuff intel agencies are after. The trick here is to put all that info to work for you in useful ways.

**jack_frost** · November 25, 2001, 05:24

well, i think this thread has shown that most of us don't know enough about it to properly discern what most mean - much less how to actually apply it.

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