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[Cort Haus]

Plenty of good advice here as usual - but no-one's flown a flag for despotism yet so here goes ...

If you're into playing early domination / conquest wins on small pangea maps you might want the opponents to be in monarchy or republic, as it's easier to take their cities (no pop-rushing), but not necessarily yourself. Despotism supports 4 units per city for free, which means with plenty of cities you can support a mighty army, all built from the productive core.

Despotism is a no-no on the long run, but when you plan on there being no long run, it's ok. This map & playstyle wants the game to be over by the early middle ages (and certainly before gunpowder) and under these circumstances, despotism can suffice.

[Cort Haus]

Of course you lose out to an extent with the Golden Age if you do it despotically, but that needn't stop your hordes a-marching to an early victory.

[Solomwi]

All of this, of course, is only applicable to my playing style, and may or may not fit anyone else's. That being said, here goes.

In a vacuum, Democracy is the best. Minimal corruption/waste, gold-rushing and hooo, boy, love that worker bonus (50% faster than any other gov't).
The only downside I've found is war weariness, but with US, Police Stations, a full set of luxuries, Marketplaces and the luxury slider with all that trade being generated, it's always manageable in my games. I rarely go to war for very long in the early IA (too busy getting my industrial war machine built for later world domination ). Unit support is rarely a problem with my increased income.

However, Republic gets my vote because of the quantum leap it gives your civ from Monarchy or, especially, Despotism. Democracy-lite, without the worker bonus, but comes early enough that you stand a good chance of one turn Anarchy even without Rel. and is the first gov't to let tiles hit their full production potential before RR. I usually try to hold out for Rep. and skip Monarchy.

As has been said many times here, though, it's all dependent on style and situation. The beauty of Civ: there are few pat answers .

[zorbop]

republic, then maybe commie, or stay with republic.
communism is truly a blessing for a massive military-oriented civ. i love conquering then poprushing thier unhappy cities. i find democracy impossible to use. i think republic,(and sometimes despotism even) is vastly superior to monarch.

[Panag]

Originally posted by zorbop
republic, then maybe commie, or stay with republic.
communism is truly a blessing for a massive military-oriented civ. i love conquering then poprushing thier unhappy cities. i find democracy impossible to use. i think republic,(and sometimes despotism even) is vastly superior to monarch.

hi ,

nothing above a democracy to go to war , higher money , production etc , ......

ones you get the hang of it , you dont want to go war under an other gov , .....

have a great day

[Schee]

Well the best government in my opinion is 'banana', but as there is not this option, I said Republic

Republic is available very early (I switch to Republic as soon as possible, without monarchy), is almost as good as democracy and it is the favorite government of both France and Germany, and I almost always play one of these civs (though I don't know if the favorite government of the civ you play changes something ? less corruption ?).

Sometimes I switch later to democracy, but the transition is not always worth the loss of culture due to the anarchy...

[Panag]

Originally posted by Schee
Well the best government in my opinion is 'banana', but as there is not this option, I said Republic

Republic is available very early (I switch to Republic as soon as possible, without monarchy), is almost as good as democracy and it is the favorite government of both France and Germany, and I almost always play one of these civs (though I don't know if the favorite government of the civ you play changes something ? less corruption ?).

Sometimes I switch later to democracy, but the transition is not always worth the loss of culture due to the anarchy...

hi ,

but staying in despotism till democracy aint an option , .....

sometimes you have to wait 5 or 6 turns , sometimes two , during a revolution , ......

the loss of culture is minimal if not to say next to nothing for a switch , most players switch asap when they have democracy , .....

have a nice day

[Mad Bomber]

GOD BLESS AMERICA

[Panag]

Originally posted by Mad Bomber
GOD BLESS AMERICA

hi ,

huh , what does this have to do with civ III strategy , .....

have a nice day

[Schee]

the loss of culture is minimal if not to say next to nothing for a switch , most players switch asap when they have democracy , .....

Well I don't know, my revolutions often last 6-8 turns, and I always see a big drop in my culture (only a stagnation whereas other civs are still producing culture, certainly) in the histogram. Hmm... does anyone know what factors change the duration of a Revolution ?

And since the other civs really love to declare war on me (even if I'm stronger than them and I can take all their cities in a single turn ), I don't like not being able to produce units immediately...
Moreover I won't waste my time researching Democracy, I prefer researching what leads to Infantry

Mad Bomber, put your god bless america in your sig if you want, but I don't understand what this has to do with the thread...


Hmm seems like the avatars are back.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Schee

Well I don't know, my revolutions often last 6-8 turns, and I always see a big drop in my culture (only a stagnation whereas other civs are still producing culture, certainly) in the histogram. Hmm... does anyone know what factors change the duration of a Revolution ?

And since the other civs really love to declare war on me (even if I'm stronger than them and I can take all their cities in a single turn ), I don't like not being able to produce units immediately...
Moreover I won't waste my time researching Democracy, I prefer researching what leads to Infantry

Mad Bomber, put your god bless america in your sig if you want, but I don't understand what this has to do with the thread...


Hmm seems like the avatars are back.

hi ,

well if you want to get fast as hell to infantry , then go for the democracy gov , more money , more shields , more science , more of everything , ..... its a huge help

there are some threads around that explain about revolutions

have a nice day

[Azeem]

None. Because I prefer bananas.

But quite honestly, it's a tie between Democracy and Communism. It really depends on whether I want to be a mad conqueror or a builder.

[Schee]

... but I need to research two technologies that are not required to enter the new era, then switch to democracy, and then research three technologies to get to infantry (I don't have the tech tree here, but I think it's that), whereas I go directly to infantry without researching any dead end technology.

In fact I think I never switched to Democracy before having Infantry... maybe I should try next time

[PeaSoup]

I used to beeline for monarchy when I don't control enough luxuries, and for the unit support and the MP bonus.

but with the proper use of the luxury slider, and the right happiness improvements built, republic becomes more powerful.

I've actually out researched the ai on diety using monarchy. Of course I had a large enough empire and a well placed FP, so it is not that bad.

[Mad Bomber]

Originally posted by panag



hi ,

huh , what does this have to do with civ III strategy , .....

have a nice day

Just My way of saying Democracy rules!

(And it was the 4th, and feeling a little patriotic)