Which Civ do People prefer for peaceful victory

[skizzed]

Hello Everyone,

This is my first posting so bear with me
I was wondering whether there was any kind of consensus on what the best civ to play is when going for a peaceful victory?

Also, what combination of attributes do people prefer (ie industrious, scientific etc)

[Mountain Sage]

Hi skizzed,

Welcome on board.
As you probably know, playing *really* peaceful games is not the preferred way of playing civ 3.
Most people play the second part of their game peacefully, after their civ is the only one standing, having forgotten to click on the 'domination' and 'conquest' victory buttons before starting the game.
Anyway, since I am one of the few who likes to play this games (PP games, as for Perfect Peacenik), I usually played the French (Carthage is also good). Why?

I'd rather play on huge maps. Therefore, the commercial/industrious traits are really great to play with (see my thread about civ-specific strategy: the French').
I am about mid-game playing the Americans: industrious and expansionist are also good traits, but the expansionist trait (with the Scout) really kicks in on huge maps.
My 1 gp advice is to play one or both of the following traits: industrious, commercial, religious.

[Master Zen]

I would prefer Carthage over France (though both are probably the best).

The reason is that just in case someone decides to get nasty with you at the beginning you have Numidian Mercs which are the best defenders in the game up until Musketmen. Mercs also weigh heavily in the F3 "strong-weak" ranking which will make you appear strong to the others (thus making it less likely for other civs to attack you).

I would suggest regardless of your city placement to build some camp cities close to capital (2 will suffice) these will only build a barracks and begin cranking out Numidians at every 5-6 turns to defend your cities while the other cities concentrate on building improvements.

-MZ

[Master Zen]

Now, as far as traits go (and yes, this deserves a whole new post), the best trait for single-player is ind/rel of which there is only one civ, Egypt. The advantage of cheap temples can really get your culture going. On huge maps however, I would heed Mountain Sage's advice and choose Carthage or France or the USA.

Lately I've been taking in a liking for industrial/scientific civs, which are Persia and Ottomans, especially Persia (love those Immortals). Half-price libraries make them even better than temples and in case you do get involved in a nasty war, those Immortals will kick ass like no other. Free tech with an era change also is nice

[AJ Corp. The FAIR]

The Babylonians perhaps deserve the title as potentially best peace/building nation.

Scientific and Religious.

AJ

[skizzed]

Thanks for the responses. Are there any civs that players wouldnt touch with a barge pole (whatever type of game they're playing)?

[Konquest02]

Originally posted by skizzed
Thanks for the responses. Are there any civs that players wouldnt touch with a barge pole (whatever type of game they're playing)?

Quickly, I'd say the English, the Indians and the Koreans (from PtW). Their traits are not great, UU's are just decent and it quite sucks for the English and the Koreans.

I don't like the Zulus, but for a real warmongering game, they can be good...

--Kon--

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by skizzed
Thanks for the responses. Are there any civs that players wouldnt touch with a barge pole (whatever type of game they're playing)?

Korea!!!

England sucks too

[ZargonX]

I'm going to have to echo the sentiments above and say that I stay away from England and Korea unless I get stuck with them through random draw (as has unfortunately happened in some of my PBEMs )

[Underseer]

I prefer huge maps and play a mostly builder game, so I generally play what everyone else recommends for that: Carthage/France, USA, Egypt.

Of course, I sometimes play other civs just for the heck of it. For reasons I can't fathom, I tend to do quite well when playing Scientific-Commercial (Greece & Korea).

[rush]

Greece. I had such great fun playing Greece in the OCC. The Greeks started with Alphabet & Bronze Working, so I can go for Ancient Wonders GL and C. It also have a good early defensive unit. The Scientific & Commerical trait are excellant for the later Industrial & Modern Age.

[HAND]

Egypt i'd say...Ind. + Rel. traits are perfect for me. Either that or Carthage.

[Mountain Sage]

Originally posted by skizzed
Thanks for the responses. Are there any civs that players wouldnt touch with a barge pole (whatever type of game they're playing)?

Generally speaking,

1. The militaristic ones, since you plan to play a peaceful game (whoha, that was a very clever, wasn't it ? ).
2. The expansionist ones seem to me a bit overrated (even if Dominae made a very strong case on her 'American' thread), because their trait is only useful in the early game. All other traits are with you for the whole game. But then, on huge maps, fast scouts can be very helpful.

My piece of advice is to try different civs. After a while, you'll feel more confortable with some than others.

[Arrian]

Good peaceful civs:

France/Carthage
Babylon
Egypt
America
India

India isn't as strong as some of the others, but the traits scream "peaceful builder" almost as much as Babylon's. Their unit could actually be quite useful if, due to your peaceful play, you are without iron or horses. Spain has the same traits, but a UU that doesn't stike me as useful.

Civs to avoid if you want to be peaceful: Mongols, Vikings, Zulu, China, Aztecs, Celts, Japan, Rome, Germany.

Those are the militaristic civs, and as such are wasted on the peaceful player.

England & Korea do suck, as others have said. For that matter, I also have a low opinion of Greece (despite their UU) and Russia.

-Arrian

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Arrian

England & Korea do suck, as others have said. For that matter, I also have a low opinion of Greece (despite their UU) and Russia.

-Arrian

I hate Greece too , granted, their UU will keep you safe until Muskets but still, I would gladly trade any one of their traits for industrial before I would consider it a kick ass civ.

I ain't too fond of Russia, AND Germany either. Honestly the only non-industrial combo I like is mil/rel (japanese and aztecs) although the Iroqouis will do too despite the fact that these three civs are rather warmongerish