Spite and Malice....

[UnOrthOdOx]

Vel,

Please, can you step outside for a moment? Attempt to stop seeing from GS perspective for a minute.

GS mopped the floor with a worthy opponent. (that was not exactly a small number of Immortals there) GS quickly then rose to become the leader in the game. GS has the largest military.

Is it not possible that these actions have had an effect of making some 'target' you? Is it not possible these actions have made you a threat IN GAME?


If you would, what, BEFORE the Voxodus, besides the ranting of a few individuals, makes GS feel everyone targeted them from the beginning?

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The Trash Talking does at times become heated and personal, I freely admit that. I have felt it myself. But it is, in the end, trash talking. And that, IMO is a part of competition.

I can also see how GS could come to this conclusion from THEIR perspective, though. I suggest they all step back for a minute and look at the game from outside.

[Velociryx]

A healthy chunk of the evidence is right here in the history of these public threads.

A fair bit have been things told to me in confidence, yes, by individuals.

Individuals who have weight and shape policy for their teams.

Individuals who have said, early on (since before our war with Vox) that it doesn't matter WHO wins, so long as GS doesn't.

But, hey....there's no problem. No hostility.

It was all a delusion.

No. There was no specific team of people who came together with the specific goal before the game even began, to "beat GS." That's not what I said, and has never even been an implication.

But individuals DRIVE and make up and constitute the teams, and there are a fair number of individuals for whom that has been a long standing desire.

I know....I've talked to a few of them.

And I've seen ample evidence of that here in this public forum.

But...perhaps I am just suffering from that same delusion that drove the others away....'cept I'm not going anywhere....

-=Vel=-

[Arrian]

UnO,

We didn't choose our course of action because we though GoW isn't good enough to counterbalance ND (though the geography certainly gives ND an advantage w/regard to using captured Spanish land, unless GoW manages to get a leader for a FP rush down south, and even then it would be tough to defend). No, even if GoW & ND balanced out well, a 2-civ Bob means 2 civs larger & more powerful than GS. Add in Lego, which is also much larger than us, and we've got serious problems. Our decision was based on that - not on any imagined incompetance on GoW's part.

As for this thread... whatever. Bring it. The only personal grudge which saddens me is yours, UnO. But there doesn't appear to be much I can do about it.

Damnit, I had managed to avoid this forum for most of the day... only succumbing in the late afternoon. So close to staying out of it...

-Arrian

[Velociryx]

I have just had....an epiphany.

The solution is simple, you see.

The solution is to fight fire with fire.

You want us dead? You're willing to fight to the last man to see it happen? You're willing to become someone else's pawn so long as it means our downfall.

So be it.

And we will return that favor, fighting you with everything that we have, and everything that we are.

If you wish to make this a fight with no quarter....we can accomodate you.

None asked.

None given.

Let's do this thing....just make sure that's exactly what you want first.

-=Vel=-

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I never said I wanted GS wiped out of the game (except as propaganda and ranting). You acused all the other teams of Headhunting when your team is the only one to do it.

I was just pointing out the hypocrosy of your statement as I thought it amusing. If you can't handle others exposing your propoganda as falsehood then don't make false statements.

Personally, I have nothing against the members of GS, as a Warmonger member of GoW however I want you all punished and pillaged for your dishonorable backstabbing of my nation and its allies. The fact that you would ally with the smelly Spamiards and their slimy nobility is just a verification of your pathetic lack of standards.

[vondrack]

Arrian, thumbs up for your post.

It is refreshing to see that someone (from GS, that is) says plainly: we want to win the game - and a two-civ Bob was a threat we could not have ignored. So we did the inevitable thing - and sided with the RPers. We did whatever was necessary to ensure we would not lose the chance to win this game. NAP or no NAP with GoW, hostile actions, no hostile actions - didn't matter. We actually had very little choice (and here is where I'd agree that GoW/ND miscalculated about the possible GS involvement in the war...) and we did the only thing that could have kept us in the race.

I have always understood your (GS) decision to get involved in the war this way and never had a problem with that. All the stuff about helping the overwhelmed Spaniards, granting them the freedom to live and... blah blah blah - I have always perceived that as a harmless roleplaying crap that has nothing to do with the actual, obvious-to-everybody-sane reasons.

I am happy to see I was not wrong. Since this is exactly what I would expect from a team of elite civvers (I am serious about the "elite" part, no offense meant). And, to be honest - that is EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD DO IF BEING YOURSELF.

And I think if GS saved themselves all the fuss about breaching the NAP with GoW or not, about who's right and who's wrong here, and said plainly what you said in your last post, NOBODY would have a problem with that.

Or am I wrong? UnO? GF? H_E? Panzer? donegeal? Darekill? Fellow Legos? Do you think you would have a problem with that reasoning?

[Velociryx]

Our team has not engaged in headhunting of any sort....not the definition of the word I was using (that being, "marking another team for destruction on the basis of external game mechanics as opposed to in-game events") nor yours (that being the more corporatized definition of the word).

Our "theme" if you want to call it that, is efficiency. Pure and simple. We shopped around for the folks who could best help with that, just as you shopped around for folks who could relate to your "mercenary creed" and sorta overlooked the Paladins.

No hypocracy at all.

And better tell your team mates that this isn't a fight to the death....before they make it one....

-=Vel=-

[Panzer32]

Please people... lets just get something straight that I think we may have been misunderstanding all along.

Everyone who used/accused someone of "headhunting" please define your version of it.

[Panzer32]

Originally posted by vondrack
*snip*

And I think if GS saved themselves all the fuss about breaching the NAP with GoW or not, about who's right and who's wrong here, and said plainly what you said in your last post, NOBODY would have a problem with that.

Or am I wrong? UnO? GF? H_E? Panzer? donegeal? Darekill? Fellow Legos? Do you think you would have a problem with that reasoning?

Sorry, not quite understanding the jist of the question... I'll try to respond.

Yes, GoW has been really bugged about GS trying to pass this off as an attempt to help Roleplay and basically nothing more. They may be trying to help RP simply to make sure Bob is not a 2 civ continent, but they are more likely just to not care if RP goes or not (esp since they are down to 2 cities) and just want to keep part of Southern Bob (the place they wanted when we contacted them earlier). Anyways this created a conflict with GoW/ND and it has sprung out from there.

This is how I see it.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Panzer32
Please people... lets just get something straight that I think we may have been misunderstanding all along.

Everyone who used/accused someone of "headhunting" please define your version of it.

Headhunting refers to the recruitment and acquistion of individuals with superior skills, often enticing them from the company or organization they are with with a higher reward, and integrating into your own organization.

Basically, Headhunters go after leaders and managers that are leaving a company or try to snag ones that are being overlooked by the organization they are in. Sometimes, it is done to undermine the organization they are with, sometimes it is done to prevent other organizations from getting them (Microsoft comes to mind here - they are noted for sucking up the best talent to keep their competitors from gaining them), sometimes its done because you don't have anyone with talent and need some to survive.

The only other definition of headhunting is the pracitice of cutting off defeated enemies heads and displaying them as trophies. Nobody's done that to my knowledge in this game.

[Velociryx]

The problem, GF, is that it's not an attempt to pass anything off. I tuned into this situation a bit late (after the city exchange had already occurred)....having recieved a briefing on the matter, and taking the pulse of my teammates, I began doing what I do...advising, from the vantage point I have described in my two letters.

Exactly that.

So it's not propaganda, and the whole world will see that when it begins to come true!

-=Vel=-

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Velociryx
So it's not propaganda, and the whole world will see that when it begins to come true!

-=Vel=-

What? You're gonna cut off people's heads and display them on a stick?

That's just gross, and in most nations illegal.

Unless your from Texas. It might be legal there.......

[Velociryx]

-=Vel=-

[ZargonX]

And I think if GS saved themselves all the fuss about breaching the NAP with GoW or not, about who's right and who's wrong here, and said plainly what you said in your last post, NOBODY would have a problem with that.

Or am I wrong? UnO? GF? H_E? Panzer? donegeal? Darekill? Fellow Legos? Do you think you would have a problem with that reasoning?

I think what Vondrack is trying to say is that if GS had just said "we're doing what we're doing because we want to win" instead of veiling it with NAP talks and honor and whatnot, then we probably wouldn't be having most of these discussions right now.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by ZargonX
I think what Vondrack is trying to say is that if GS had just said "we're doing what we're doing because we want to win" instead of veiling it with NAP talks and honor and whatnot, then we probably wouldn't be having most of these discussions right now.

I know I certainly wouldn't have had near as much fuel to make smartass comments..................