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  • #16
    I strongly disagree with the statement that GS has become the target of another team just because they'd want "death to the strat guys". I consider that statement so unfair that I feel the urge to respond despite the original post not being aimed at me or my team.
    Although I would love to agree with Vondrack, he already knows my opinion from another PBEM. It is my philosophy that the strongest players, and the ones with the best starts should be eliminated first by an alliance. Many have acknowledged that GS is the team with the strongest players and so it is no surprise to me that they have gleamed a feeling from the teams that they are out to get them. The problem is that GS has done nothing calm these fears. They are very difficult to deal with, and whether they intended it or not, it has caused them to appear arrogant.
    BigFree calls it confidence…he is probably right….but what is important, is how a team is perceived by others… not their intention.

    Personally, I never perused the strategy forum before joining this game, so did not know them from a bar of soap. I was the GoW-GS contact for much of the earlier part of the game, and thoroughly enjoyed my conversations & dealings with Zeit.
    My current animosity is purely due to their ingame presence on Bob. I have only one vote on the GoW team, and it will always be to never accept or negotiate peace with GS, until they are removed from Bob.
    GS have made a huge diplomatic blunder by invading Bob.

    There is no "internal Bob" just like there was no "internal Stormia" (there is now, since we are in full command of the continent) - there's a continent with three unique, disparate cultures on it. Two of the three decided to carve the odd man out up.

    Your neighbor one street over decided he'd rather not watch your little block party from afar, and decided not to stand quietly by while you and your buddy vandalized your neighbor's home.
    Here we go again. Trying to take the high road. The only reason GS is not allied with GoW & ND, is that we would not pay your asking price. You wanted a presence on Bob. We would not give it. RP of course did, and GS have gone great lengths to protect those holdings. Even go so far as to let GOW riders march past their Knights & Cities unmolested to attack undefended RP cities. You do not fool anybody that GS’s presence as an RP ally has occurred for no other reason that RP have paid for it.

    GoW and ND have no authority whatsoever to tell Spain what she can or cannot do with her own holdings, or was there some secret Bobian accord which the rest of the teams were unaware?
    Actually, I think that there was for a while. The “Brotherhood of Bob” accord. I cant remember whatever happened to it… but it is irrelevant now. We were not surprised that RP would plead for help from anyone who would listen. Even GoW got a note from RP. All we had to turn on ND, and then agree to their alliance against GS.

    Take a peek at a GoW team member's quote (in my initial post). Any time you get a guy talking about fighting to his own extinction....not to win the game (which is the goal of those for whom playing the game at hand is the primary focus), but to simply ensure that a specific someone loses....no, not even loses, just to ensure that that specific someone does not gain regional "dominance" (which is a far cry from an assurance of victory)....that's definitely NOT playing the game at hand, but falling back to some other motive.
    Actually, I said that we would fight until GS was removed from Bob. I do not want your destruction. IMO, for GoW to win the game, GS must not be allowed any presence on Bob.

    The personal animosity between some members of GoW and RP is very real and while much of the leaderships on either side may at times be level-headed with each other, the members on each team with an emotional hatred of the other team has an impact on team policy because this is, afterall, a democracy game.
    For the record, I do not personally hate any team member.
    I have an ingame hate of RP for their aggressive diplomacy. They have miscalculated the effects of this, and are now paying the price.
    I have an ingame hate of GS being on Bob. They miscalculated the response from GoW. They have put themselves into a position where they cannot win the game. They have taken diplomatic and military action that ensures they will have to be at war for the rest of the game. If this seems irrational … too bad. If this means Lego is handed a victory, then it will sit fine with me.

    Has RP not done the same with allowing GS presence on Bob? RP are destroyed, and have no hope of returning to their formal glory. So they gift cities to GS which gives them a gaming win position.

    And one last comment ..
    to Theseus
    Bring it on
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    • #17
      Total agreement, Theseus. I'm not offended by it....people want to crush the life out of us. Okay. We've known that since about the third day of the game (before there were any in-game events to warrant such a notion). What's that suggest?

      Well, it suggests that there's some other motive at work, besides in-game events, and its not exactly rocket science to figure out what that "other motive" might be, *especially* when the forum is filled with....shall we say, loose lips on the matter?

      Good...bad...doesn't matter. It's just the way it is. It is what this game has presented us with.

      Some folks on our team didn't see the fun in that, and I can't say I blame them. It's tough to feel like one of the hunted from turn one, and they left us.

      I miss them, and WE miss their contributions, but I have no intentions of following suit, and there are many on the team who feel exactly the same way, but understand this: If you have percieved an arrogance or a difficulty in dealing with GS, it is because we percieved that predatory atmosphere first and responded to it with logical, reasonable standoffishness.

      And so....here we are, but again, and I can't stress this enough, this topic was NOT brought to the fore out of anger or resentment, it was brought to the fore as an attempt to explain the current state of affairs. To lay it out as I understand it, because it's never been openly discussed, and when it reaches a point when people start leaving the game....then it's probably way past time to talk about it.

      Personally, I don't feel any animosity toward anybody here, including those who fall into the camp of "beat GS at all costs." 's just another obstacle to overcome, and frankly, we've done pretty well so far.

      But clearly, this game has had a real world impact, when the animosity reaches a level that prompts people to leave to escape it.

      -=Vel=-
      The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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      • #18
        We're difficult to deal with? We are difficult to deal with?

        What a crock of poo. HAR HAR HAR!

        [GoW voice]
        Oh please, GS, send units to help kill RP, but then don't you dare think of staying on Bob! No siree Bob, you better not do that. Yes, we think you are stupid enough to enlarge ND to the size of Lego and get nothing in it for yourselves, yes siree Bob.

        We will send GF to be the ambassador to them. If he yells at them enough, then they will maybe see the supriority of our position, and they will come around to our side. Yes siree Bob.

        Nevermind that we never kept an agreement with GS. That matters nothing, does it? No siree Bob!

        WTF do you mean that GS has rejected our outrageous proposals and gone to the assistance of Spain?!!! Those suckers were supposed ignore all that has gone before and to meekly hand us and ND the game! How dare they! Bah! We are angry! They are soooo difficult to deal with! We feel like blowing something up! Where is our XTJ4 disintegrator-reintigrator module? Someone has stolen our XTJ4 disintegrator-reintigrator module! Where is our kaboom, our satisfying kaboom?
        [/GOW voice]

        Now, let's all just get on with the killing, shall we?
        (\__/)
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        • #19


          -=Vel=-
          (headin' to bed on that note!)
          The list of published books grows. If you're curious to see what sort of stories I weave out, head to Amazon.com and do an author search for "Christopher Hartpence." Help support Candle'Bre, a game created by gamers FOR gamers. All proceeds from my published works go directly to the project.

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          • #20
            [GS voice]
            Shhhhh. We aww hunting wascley wabbit.

            We aww in the pewfect spot foww finding wabbit. Watch...

            Hewww wabbit, wabbit, wabbit...

            *Gun explodes in face*

            Awwww, that wascley wabbit isn't pwaying faiww.
            [/GS voice]

            Now, can we just get on with the killing?
            (\__/)
            (='.'=)
            (")_(") This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your signature to help him gain world domination.

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            • #21
              Just for the records.
              ND entered the game to sell it's fur as expansive as we possibly could and if by chance are enabled to even win it.

              We now still try to achieve those very goals. We are not aiming to be the most effectiv, the most honest, the most warlike or the most constructive team. We just want to play this game the way we think is best. Best for us of course.

              We did not know who the bigheads here were. We had no reason to look after a certain team to get that eliminatet. We claim to be unbiased at the time we entered the fray.

              We are no longer anymore and if it helps to evaluate anyones gameplay technique: We'd rather see ND win but if we can't we prefer GoW or Legoland. Ask yourself why.
              Member of the Apolyton C3C DG-Team

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              • #22
                Duh!! Because you like them?
                (\__/)
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                • #23


                  If GS and RP are your enemies, then of course you wouldn't want them to win. The only teams left for you to choose from is GoW or Lego; not hard to decipher that one.

                  And who claims that Spain will never again return to it's glory!!! HA! We shall see....we shall see....

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by notyoueither
                    Duh!! Because you like them?
                    Then you can proudly say, that you have learnt nothing from this game.

                    "No Comment"

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                    • #25
                      Still haven't felt any pain, have you?
                      (\__/)
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                      • #26
                        The point is not that they are our friends now but how it came that they are and you are not.....
                        Member of the Apolyton C3C DG-Team

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by notyoueither
                          Still haven't felt any pain, have you?
                          I shed a tear when Sir Acrylic bit the dust.

                          He was one of mine... Does that count ?
                          "No Comment"

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                          • #28
                            What about the forgotten brother, Vox? Does Darekill care if they win, or are they just considered part of Lego now.

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                            • #29
                              And no one sheds a tear for Lux...

                              The greatest delight for man is to inflict defeat on his enemies, to drive them before him, to see those dear to them with their faces bathed in tears, to bestride their horses, to crush in his arms their daughters and wives.

                              Duas uncias in puncta mortalis est.

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                              • #30
                                I assume The Eye does

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