The Glory of Manifestos

[Aeson]

I was aware of that. I just thought the agreements were to be able to post the conversations 'publicly' in the team forums.

[FrustratedPoet]

I don't like the fact that this thread is continuing so I'm going to post here saying that I'm surprised this thread is still going. By bumping it to the top of the forum in this way I hope to banish it forever. For some reason I will do this several times and yet still express surprise that the thread hasn't died yet.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by WhiteBandit
What the hell? Hot Enamel and you are the only ones who seemed to notice my post!

What? You posted somewhere? Was it this thread?

[Shiber]

I saw and read it and I think it was funny. But I didn't say anything because I think that your post speaks for itself

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by Darekill
The point is, as long as it is for GoW better to fight with us then against us we feel fine.

Darekill,

RP has made that mistake before

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I don't think Roleplay ever was in the position where it was in GoW's best interests to side with her.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by Shiber
However, when RP made their offer we accepted and put ourselves in a condition that we'd have never believed that we'd end up in a few months ago. We got over our emotions when our logic told us that if we leave GoW and ND alone, we're almost forgoing any chances of winning this game at all.

Still, noone was seriously considering lending RP a hand (or at least noone voiced such an opinion on GS's forum, IIRC) until they made us an offer, which happened about two days after the joint GS-GoW-ND chat.

It was also when I was given responsibility for our diplomacy with GS after being gone for quite a number of months. I returned to find in the few chats I sat in on that it seemed a number of teams displayed an odd hostility toward our team that obviously had grown quite a bit over the past several months and which I STILL don't fully understand how it must have done so.

I'm glad that in the case of GS and RP, level heads finally prevailed.

That said, I have a funny feeling based upon the discussions that took place in the RP internal forum, the negotiations I had with GS, and the discussions I've seen out here, that the very polarized opinions of the offer(s) I sent over to GS and we negotiated will undergo a lot of debate for some time to come. So I'm certainly not free from some level of taint for that

As for why people hated RP so much, I'm honestly still confused about the cause of that, but that's almost certainly because I've only heard the whole story of the last several months from other RP people (though a little from Beta and a little from NYE, which offers some clues).

So it will be good to compare notes after the game is over. I'm honestly quite interested about the thoughts of other teams regarding a whole host of various issues, relations with RP only being one of them.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Seriously, Arnie, most of the people who have mentioned anti-Roleplay feelings to me always insinuate that they stem from being treated unfairly by RP. Justified or not that seems to be a common theme.

An item that comes to mind is the whole we claim the southern half of the continent and no one is allowed to explore there.

[UnOrthOdOx]

And here I thought it was because all the DIA members joined RP while all the Hawks joined GoW...

and no, I am never going to let the whole DIA thing drop

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Seriously, Arnie, most of the people who have mentioned anti-Roleplay feelings to me always insinuate that they stem from being treated unfairly by RP. Justified or not that seems to be a common theme.

An item that comes to mind is the whole we claim the southern half of the continent and no one is allowed to explore there.

Now THAT I knew about... that's the reason GoW has disliked RP and the reason ND has disliked RP (though ND more specifically for the LAND).

As for GoW and the exploration thing, I was still around when you and Togas had your exceptionally unproductive shouting match via e-mail That spurred Ninot to start talking about deposing Togas and whatnot, Panzer to accuse Togas and RP of being Hitler, much of RP getting royally pissed off at that and the subsequent trial of Ninot for treason while RP-GoW relations continued to plumet

I've been harping about that being the central reason for the continued animosity between GoW and RP for months on end now, both before and after my absense. So I don't consider ND or GoW to be any mystery.

What's a mystery to me is GS and Lego, as Vox makes a bit more sense from what little I've heard about the Vox war.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Agreed, but the insinuations about unfair dealings have come from Lego and GS members. There are comments in our chat logs between GoW and GS where they frequently comment about unfair Roleplay offers. In fact part of one from a GS member was posted in this forum a few days ago until Aeson requested I remove it.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by DeepO

One other thing could also be deduced from this: maybe GS is too naive, too friendly, and too forgiving. Maybe we should open up a book of grudges too

DeepO

/me has a feeling he will get an entire chapter dedicated to himself!

[Theseus]

/me thinks MZ gets a bye for valorious service to the Civ3 nation.

[Aeson]

I didn't request you remove it GF. I made a statement about my understanding of forum rules and gave my own opinion on the subject in that regard. Any 'request' made by an argument of that type is purely one of reason. An implied "If you agree with the argument, then act in accordance with it." if you will. That request is made by logic, not myself.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Aeson
I didn't request you remove it GF. I made a statement about my understanding of forum rules and gave my own opinion on the subject in that regard. Any 'request' made by an argument of that type is purely one of reason. An implied "If you agree with the argument, then act in accordance with it." if you will. That request is made by logic, not myself.

Then you didn't want me to remove it? I felt it was a request, although perhaps an implied one. I had to choose between referring to it as a 'request' or a 'demand' and certainly did view as an adamant demand so considered a request and one that I agreed with and so I edited it from the post.

Now people are taking offense that I call their posts a "request" sheesh, I can't do anything around here without someone getting offended...........