Letter of JEFF BRIGGS to the CIV COMMUNITY

[Velociryx]

Why the news item was written has ZERO to do with the point regarding why New Zealand and Australia will not currently carry the game, does it?

The fact as reported is that he had to order the game online, cos his country and the country next door won't let the game onto their shores.

And the *reason* cited for this....the reason given for why those two countries won't let the game in as it stands is that what's described on the box is different than what's inside.

But that's not what you want to hear, so it is not enough.

And, I suspect that no matter what evidence you ask me to bring to table, that also will not be enough.

I have no wish to re-spark a flame war here, but I respectfully submit the notion that because the information contained in the news item runs counter to your position, you are turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to what it represents.

The very thing I was accused of not many posts ago.

You said earlier that you would like to continue discussing this topic, but would prefer to keep it at a higher level. Your tone suggests, however, that flames are once more about to erupt.

Because of that, I believe the only course left open for me would be to retire from this thread as well, lest my continued presence here re-ignite a flame war I do not wish to see.

Again, apologies to all for the previous flames.

-=Vel=-

[notyoueither]

Give me a source for this ridiculousness, please.

So far, all we have is Horsie running around being an ass. That does not count.

Again, what other IT company has been prosecuted under these laws, when the fix is available online? Site them, please.

Until I see that, you and others have fallen victim to a Horsie troll. Too bad.

[WarpStorm]

While NZ Consumer Rights law is better than the equivalent US laws, I doubt that is why it is held up. The law mainly specifies that if a product does not work as specified that it be fixed in a reasonable time or that you can get your money back. The EULA for PTW already has these provisions in it, so I don't see how that would be a hold up.

[player1]

People will always buy flawed products if companies which release them have good patching policy.

Like Firaxis.

It has probably something to do with "give me now, patch later" moto.

Just look MOO3 boards. Some fans are so deperate to get game, that they would rather have game NOW with bugs patched later, then wit just a little bit more for the game.


P.S.
I don't consider Civ3 nor PtW flawed at release, only a little bit buggy, but that's just personnal opinion NOT a fact (broken or not is thing of PREFERENCE).

[vondrack]

Originally posted by Velociryx
The fact as reported is that he had to order the game online, cos his country and the country next door won't let the game onto their shores.

And the *reason* cited for this....the reason given for why those two countries won't let the game in as it stands is that what's described on the box is different than what's inside.

Just to know what we are talking about, here is the precise wording of the news item, grabbed from the Poly news page:

It appears the problem in New Zealand (and Australia) is that it does not pass consumer standards in its current out-of-the-box status, that is to say, the box is false advertising! So most shops will have a "cleaner" version in shops at about mid-January.

...says The Rusty Gamer (TRG). Sadly enough, the Infogrames Australia has nothing on this issue, just mentions the January 10th release date. Even a 60 minute thorough Google search lead to exactly zero results regarding the issue for me (OTOH, I did find the favourable PtW review by Steve Polak on GamePower Australia, mentioned also on the Poly news page). Anyone having verified information on the subject? Fellow Poly Australians?

[SMIFFGIG]

What I WANT is a game that is a worthy succesor to Civ 2. Even after five patches (more to come?) for Civ 3 and PTW combined, we do not have it.

Dont we all (ok maybe not all as some people accept Civ3 as a worthy successor ) well im not one of those Sid Meier fanatics, i really did have high hopes for Civ3 but was utterly let down by it when i was foolish enough to buy it . I have PTW (b4 anyone critises i didnt buy it) and that is truely awful (along with Civ3. Civ3 does have some very good points and concepts but thats about all i can say about it, those points and concepts are minimal and meaningless really compared to the other flaws and bad points and concepts of the game

however down to the point of this post, Corocle i dont know if you have tried it already (probably not as most people strangely havent) but if you want the closest thing to a Civ2 successor try modded CtP2, its superb. Ask Velociryx he can tell you what i mean (or just read one of his threads on the CtP2 forum.

Anyway i hope you try it, I can understand your frustration with this game (Civ3) and the fact your in such minority on this forum i can imagine how hard it is to express your points without it being hammered down everytime (just hope that outside browsers of this forum see your post before buying Civ3 to get a fairer concept of what Civ3 and PTW are really like



-James

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Give me a source for this ridiculousness, please.

So far, all we have is Horsie running around being an ass. That does not count.

Again, what other IT company has been prosecuted under these laws, when the fix is available online? Site them, please.

Until I see that, you and others have fallen victim to a Horsie troll. Too bad.

It doesn't matter what fanboys like you think. The game has been delayed because its illegally defective.

Everyone unhappy with the state of the game should contact their local product standard and consumer protection authorities.

Maybe next time Infogames will Beta test their product before inflicting it on consumers.

[Cyclotron]

An ill-concealed dodge of the question. Where is your source? Your proof?

[notyoueither]

ditto cyclotron7

Troll some more Horse. Your say so does not make it happen.

[Alexander's Horse]

The release has been delayed here hasn't it? Give it up, you lost, get over it

[notyoueither]

(6 December 2002, 14:25 | Civ3) New Zealand citizen The Rusty Gamer (TRG) has written in reporting that he has received his copy of Civilization III: Play The World as ordered through Gameplanet`s (GP) online operation there. On a note related to its delayed availability in the Pacific Ocean state, TRG says:

It appears the problem in New Zealand (and Australia) is that it does not pass consumer standards in its current out-of-the-box status, that is to say, the box is false advertising! So most shops will have a "cleaner" version in shops at about mid-January.

GP is is selling the expansion pack still for the online pre-order price of $59.95NZ -- the regular and store price is $10NZ more. GP`s physical store in the country is located at 184 Dominion Road in Mt. Eden, Auckland. - DanQ

So, how is it that a company physically located in New Zealand is selling it then Horse, huh? Care to explain that? Huh? Could you site something? No? Didn't think so.

You are backing into this conversation Horsie. It is not your better end that is showing.

[Alexander's Horse]

Would you like to get someone to read that news item to you slowly?

moron.

[notyoueither]

News item? Hardly qualifies. Rusty Gamer repeating your lunatic ramblings does not accuracy make. The 'news' was that it was available in New Zealand.

Now how about it Horsie, can you back yourself up, or are you just trolling as usual?

[Alexander's Horse]

Look I'm not Vel - I'm not getting into a Yes it is, No it isn't discussion with you.

Your poor English comprehension is your problem fanboy

[notyoueither]

Do you make a habit of returning to threads to repeat the same babble?

I guess that would be one way to rack up 10K posts.