Is there a way to not allow the Russians Democracy through editing?

[Tomji]

religion doesnt matter until a *revolution* is lead to 90+% by a a religion that is a gross minority in that country.
How can you *not* wonder whats up`?

The fact is that Germany helped the recolution (since they were at war, etc)
I found this little bit here:

http://www.historyguide.org/europe/lecture5.html

[Cagliostro]

@Tomji: I don't want to start a discussion on the topic here, because it's really off the topic this thread has, but alll this "the jewish are responsible for this and for that" - stuff is really making me sick.
Communist antisemites bashing the "jewish capitalists", capitalist antisemites bashing the "jewish communists", nationalsocialist antisemites bashing the "jewish communists and capitalists" etc...
I don't want to invetsigate everyone being involved in the octoberrevolution in terms of his "religion" (communists - religion ) - but just some simple facts:

You said communism was invented by german jews - it was invented by 2 protestants, of which one had jewish ancestors - so it's no matter of religion (and obviously marx and engels were atheists, not even realprotestants...) - so stating "jewish" in this context is no matter of religion, but a matter of race - and even then it's not true - it was invented by jews (in a "racial" definition) by 50% - you said it was 100%...

The fact that Germany helped the revolution - well - sending Lenin back to destabilize an opposing war party makes sense - so why are you mentioning a truism like that at all? It's like saying: Mmmmh - did you know that Marx was living in Bonn for a year in 1835, did lots of partying and was inspired by Hegel in 1837...

@jpinard: Sorrry for interrupting your thread, but I just couldn't help myself (I really don't want to, but...)

[notyoueither]

I think the following passages put paid to the crap being posted.

... Nationalist movements rolled through the Ukraine, Finland and the Baltic States. Cossacks, Bashkirs, Siberians, Buryats declared themselves independent. Racial hatred boiled over. Jews were particular targets. "The pogrom movement is rising," the Russkiye Vedomosti correspondent in Bessarabia reported. "Talk is heard of shifting all the blame on the Jews."

Kerensky took brandy and morphine. "He really is hysterical," his secretary told Louise Bryant. "He weeps and is so dreadfully alone. I mean, he cannot depend on anyone." There had still been no elections for the Constituent Assembly, the parliament promised since March. Committees had examined the American, Belgian and Swiss constitutions in their search for perfection. They discussed the merits of proportional representation and an upper house -- "All Russia, it seemed, was just talking and talking." Leon Trotsky, "a son of a ***** but the greatest Jew since Jesus," in the eyes of an American Red Cross representative, was a doer, not a talker. And he had just been released from prison. The stage was now nearly set for the greatest drama and the greatest dream of the twentieth century -- the Bolshevik Revolution of October 1917.

So, the jews were being blamed for the turmoil. That, and one son of a b*tch of a jew was about to put it to an end.

Quality sources there.

[Tomji]

god damn it Cagliostro.
That wasnt my point at all.

The original poster wanted a mainly communist russia.
I simply said that russia didnt become communist out of it's own. Communist movement was international by definition. (ever listend to the early communist hymn?)

If what I said is considered anti-semite is a whole diffrent question. I wouldnt say so. Maybe the current jews are not proud of it anymore

[Cagliostro]

Well - sorry if it wasn't your point, but it appeared to me, because it seemed important to you if someone was jewish or not - and as a matter of fact, communism was not invented by jews unless you pay attention to Marx' ancestry, which is a tendentiously racist thinking imho, because he didn't define himself as being jewish.

As I said in my first post on the topic: "why is that of any significance anyway unless you start stating something weird about a jewish world-conspiracy?"

The fact that Germany sent Lenin to Russia also doesn't mean that Russia didn't become communist out of it's own imo - he hadn't been successfull if his thoughts hadn't fell on extremely fertile soil - and he couldn't have done anything on his own - he was just the last ignition, but that doesn't change anything about the fact that the russian people did the revolution on it's own - not some team of conspiring Jews...

On the "Internationale" - heh - thanks for reminding me - I have it as mp3, sung by the russian red army choir *fires up winamp*